And we're back! Brian returns from a summer hiatus with headliners on the headlines and special guests this week Natasha Muse, Carlos Alazraqui & newly minted show co-producer Tom Sawyer.
After a summer-long hiatus, Brian is back with a brand new episode and another round of Headliners on the Headlines!
In this latest episode of Copeland's Corner, Brian Copeland relaunches his show with guests Natasha Muse, Tom Sawyer, and Carlos Alazraqui. The discussion spans various political and social topics, including Trump's ongoing influence, media biases, Kamala Harris's presidential campaign, and the dynamics of the U.S. electoral system. The gang critique public figures like Rob Schneider, Jimmy Dore, and Elon Musk for their selective silence on critical issues like racism and voter suppression. Additionally, the episode highlights upcoming performances and projects by the guests, promoting the importance of independent creative work. The show's new approach aims to provide a pragmatic view of political cultism and the current political climate, featuring personal anecdotes and future episodes addressing life in the Trump era.
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EP185 - Copeland's Corner with Natasha Muse, Calros Alazraqui & Tom Sawyer
Host Brian Copeland: [00:00:00] Well, again, this is Brian Copeland talking. Welcome to a long, long awaited edition of, uh, Copeland's Corner. And this is show number 185. Uh, we've taken, uh, about four months off. The plan was to take the summer off, uh, just kinda rethink the show and maybe, you know, make some changes, see what we can do to make it better.
Uh, we started doing this show, uh, as a, as a podcast right before the shutdown. I think we started, uh, maybe two weeks before, uh, before the shutdown in 2020. And, uh, since then we've been doing it over zoom. I have comics on, I have, uh, people who, uh, I found interesting. I have interesting things to say on, and we talk about some of the news of the week.
So we wanted to, to, uh, rethink the show. We, we expanded our staff, uh, my pal, uh, Tom Sawyer, uh, Bay Area comedy, opera, uh, impresario [00:01:00] legend is, uh, now a part of our staff. And, uh, he'll be sitting in for me on some of the weeks that I can't, uh, I can't do the show, uh, but you can listen to us, uh, on, uh, anywhere where you're getting your, your audio podcasts.
And of course you can watch us, uh, on, uh, on YouTube. Every single Thursday. So, uh, there is so much to talk about. I'm not gonna catch up on the whole four months because there's just so much, but there's, uh, there's plenty. So, uh, let me bring in today's guest. Uh, we have got, uh, uh, this week, oh, oh, I should mention, by the way, my setting too.
Uh, you can tell we we've changed where if you're watching this as opposed to listening to it. We've changed where we're doing this. Instead of being in my family room with my pool table in the back, I'm now in the, the, the corner of, of my house that is down below the garage that I call the fortress of solitude and no, I didn't make that up.
So, uh, so this, you, you'll get my books and I like the fact that the Cosby book is right behind me. The poor bastard that wrote this book on Cosby. It's like the [00:02:00] definitive Cosby biography, but he doesn't mention the women. And it came out like the week before the first accusers came out. So it was like gone immediately.
He spent like years writing this book. And that's the one that's right behind me. Uh, so let's bring in, uh, bring out our guests. If we can do that, Charlene,
there we go. I see Natasha Muse who I have not seen in a long time. Very funny comic. How are you doing, Natasha?
Natasha Muse: I'm doing well today. How are you? It's great to be here. I am well. Now, where are you? I'm in San Francisco right now. Oh, you're in the city. Yeah, yeah, right in the heart, right off the Civic Center.
Host Brian Copeland: And, uh, our co executive producer, our new co executive producer, Tom Sawyer, whose shirt I like very much. And, uh, we've got Carlos Rocky, we're going to be bringing up here in just a moment, unless he said, you know what, I didn't like the opening, screw this, I'm out of here. And I'm, I'm done with this. There he is.
Franco's Modern Life. What's going on, man?
Carlos Alazraqui: Hey, good to see you guys, everybody. Uh, and, uh, Natasha, nice to meet [00:03:00] you via the, uh, zoom, you know, school kids, Stephanie Miller, uh, radio this morning and, uh, Twitter arguments. Uh, You
Host Brian Copeland: know what? I have stopped arguing on Twitter because there's just no point. And even on Facebook, I'm trying, I'm trying to, I mean, have you ever changed anybody's mind?
Let's, let's just put this out as the first question. Have you ever seen somebody post something stupid or something completely inaccurate on Facebook and you correct them and maybe you have sources and you post the article showing as to why what they posted is inaccurate and had them go, Oh, I didn't know that you're
Carlos Alazraqui: never happened to the closest.
We come as we can agree upon a certain whiskey that we like or agree
Tom Sawyer: to disagree.
Natasha Muse: That's a
Tom Sawyer: favorite.
Natasha Muse: Yeah, I've convinced other people that I'm in. I think I've convinced other people that I'm an idiot. I think that they have not known who I was and now like, I don't like that person. Yeah,
Tom Sawyer: there is a.
Twitter's like a men's room gas station bathroom, [00:04:00] you know, you open up that shit, shit cake stall and add your vomit to the already grossed out world that is Twitter. Are you
Host Brian Copeland: guys, are you guys using it less since, uh, since Elon No, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying threads with threads. It's just not there.
Carlos Alazraqui: Yeah. Uh, what helped is I switched over to the for you, uh, uh, uh, topic headline, as opposed to following the for you as much more, you can, you can cater it towards people that are more along the lines of you. Yeah. Do you want to hear dissimilar opinions? Yeah. But if you go to the following, It is straight out misinformation and garbage and hate.
So there is a way to engage on, I'm going to still call it Twitter. F Elon Musk, uh, South African. Do you like me? I hope people like me. I paid for people to like me. I hope you like me. Well, I'll tell you, I do need
Tom Sawyer: a couch real bad. Yeah.
Host Brian Copeland: Well, I read, I read an article the other day that, uh, in, in Beverly Hills, among other places, [00:05:00] uh, the people who were buying the, the, you know, the a hundred thousand dollar top of the line Teslas, people are dumping them.
People either walking away from their leases or they're dumping them because of, uh, of Elon Musk and the fact that he's given 47 million dollars a month to Trump's pack and all this stuff. I'll, I will know. I wanted to get a Tesla. I won't do it now. I'll, I'll never let it. I dreamed of getting
Tom Sawyer: one. Hey, I've got one
Carlos Alazraqui: now.
We got a 2018 We're gonna trade it in not because that per se because my wife wants to go hybrid power But yeah, it's it makes you it dissuades you from wanting to buy it And even before that when I did buy it there was you know in the congo kids crawling into uh Mines to dig out the, uh, the chemical, which I'm suddenly for forgetting.
But, uh, yeah, there's a child labor involved in all of that, even though they say that, no, we've got machines. Like you go to these giant pits and 15, 000s of people just digging for the, uh, uh, cobalt actually. Well, he's just
Tom Sawyer: an awful human being. I mean, in all, all different ways. I mean, his, [00:06:00] the factories were.
Teslas are made in the United States of the lowest paying automotive, uh, companies and, and they're non union and he's, he's just, he's what is wrong with greed. He's everything wrong with greed.
Carlos Alazraqui: You couple it. I always direct people back to the Foxcatcher, uh, documentary, not the one with Stephen, uh, Stephen.
Oh, gosh. Corral, that was the movie. It was the Fox catcher with John DuPont Jr. And a billionaire's son, sociopath, that was never loved. And this repeats itself with Trump, and it repeats itself with Elon Musk. They cannot, they literally cannot feel empathy. Because they were never loved, they're not capable of receiving or giving love.
Only of the desire to be desperately lov desperately f Loved by sycophants, and therein lies the problem. They cannot feel empathy. Musk, because of his Asperger's, I guess you can't use that term anymore, apparently. You can't? No, no. What are you supposed to say now? Special needs? It's a different term. We were [00:07:00] just discussing that the other night.
Yeah,
Natasha Muse: I think it's
Carlos Alazraqui: just autism. Yeah, it's autism, but it has a special specific label, which I'm fine with. I'll learn how to say it. Because of those things, this guy is, he can't feel empathy. That's why they're dangerous.
Tom Sawyer: Yeah.
Carlos Alazraqui: They're sociopaths. They crave a love that they'll never get.
Tom Sawyer: They're, they're, they're, they're, the thing about, they're addicts.
That's how I look at, at billionaires. Cause look, Jake Johansson has this great joke about, I could never be a billionaire because once I got to, Like 50 million, I'd be on an island. I would be drinking, you know, I would be golfing or, you know, having, uh, seeing everything in the world that I'd want to see and, and doing everything I want to do, but these guys are still working.
They're still, they can't. Is that they're a hole that will never be filled. Yep. You know, you give me 50
Host Brian Copeland: million. I will lose all my ambitions. Yes, I'm not kidding.
Carlos Alazraqui: I live in Burbank and I've
Host Brian Copeland: lost
Carlos Alazraqui: half my ambition.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah,
Tom Sawyer: that's that'll be [00:08:00] my ambition will be to help people and to throw a hell of hell of great parties.
Yep. Well,
Host Brian Copeland: let's
Tom Sawyer: let's
Host Brian Copeland: start with a
Tom Sawyer: party
Host Brian Copeland: though. Let's let's let's start with this. Um, There are pollsters. And again, whether or not you believe the pollsters is, is, is entirely up to you. You know, it's, it's, it's been hit or miss the last couple of elections, but pollsters are saying that this election is going to be the closest election of the century to date.
And, you know, looking at the various polls, everything is, is close. I was looking at North Carolina and it's like 47, 46. I mean, they're a point or two points are within the margin of error. And here's my question. Why? Yeah, I don't understand why this is so close. I mean, these people are so diametrically opposed.
It's not like, you know, there's some overlap. So you're looking for some kind of nuance to decide. I can't understand why is this close
Carlos Alazraqui: on the [00:09:00] expectation on both sides is that you can get what you want. You know, and on the Trump side and maggots like white America, get rid of all the immigrants so we can return to 1950 where the world was great for white people.
But there's, but there was never
Tom Sawyer: a time where their America existed. Yes. Even the America they, that Trump is going to bring them. There's never a point where that American existed. It would have been a different country than we have right now. That's what, that's what they don't understand.
Carlos Alazraqui: Yes.
Psychologically speaking, people are voting to get what they want, which is dangerous. And I get in arguments with third party voters all the time. As Brian has attested that, you know, the whole Michigan thing and Dearborn and 600, 000 Palestinian Americans and I'm arguing on Twitter, right? That says we're going to no vote or hold our third party vote.
That's why it's going to be close in Michigan. It's like, well, I, and what I'll do is I'll try to explain it in the consequence of that and they'll say, well, you're vote shaming me and I'm going, no, I'm pointing out the consequence of if you don't vote for Kamala or you vote third party, [00:10:00] then somebody that's worse for your cause and all other causes outside of yours will be president, therefore rendering, rendering your strategy not very good.
I get it. I, I applaud your passion. I applaud your cause. I'm just saying, I'm commenting on what will be the adverse effects. You can, I, I say you have a right to vote how you want. What you don't have a right is to expect that your vote doesn't have consequences. Especially in states where it's close. We can't all get what we want.
I would love the Middle East to be beautiful for Palestinians and Jewish Americans. That's not possible. It just isn't. So we have to be pragmatic and we have to vote correctly. And I think that's why it's close because people demand to get what they want. Instead of saying, holy shit, Trump is a piece of shit maniac.
I don't love everything about Harris, but fuck yes. Harris is the only choice between two viable people who can win. That's [00:11:00] why it's not close because people are expecting too much. Let's give Natasha a shot. So what are your thoughts?
Host Brian Copeland: Why do you think it's close?
Natasha Muse: I don't because I don't think anybody who liked Trump from the beginning has been dissuaded and I feel like anything that happens with him It's just more like fuel for what they like about him, like even just being arrested.
It's like, yeah, he's our guy and he's a rebel. And we got, you know, like, and, and being, uh, uh, any, like, Uh, yeah. Anything that he does, it just gives them more enthusiasm, more excitement for their guy. I mean, like you were saying before, like on Twitter, like arguing about Twitter, like, well, you don't think Kamala is like a morally upright person.
And then, and then they say like, well, um, sorry that Trump isn't either. You can't like convince people on Twitter any more than you can convince people in real life that like Trump is somehow, you know, a bad person. I. [00:12:00] I. I. Uh,
Host Brian Copeland: uh. I was trying to explain to my kids about how politics used to be, and I was explaining to them about, remember how Gary Hart, remember Gary Hart, here's how quaint, here's how quaint presidential politics used to be, he was a viable candidate for president of the United States, and somebody took a picture of him with his mistress in a bikini sitting on his lap on a boat.
Just one photograph and he was disqualified. That would still be true.
Tom Sawyer: That would still be true. If, if, if a Democrat had that happen, the problem is, is like we're living in two different universes. Like the one universe where a guy can do who has done everything you could possibly do to be disqualified in North Carolina.
Yeah, I mean, you can, there's a list that that goes for days. I mean, it's a scroll now. It's not even a list. It's like, it goes out to the driveway and and and on the other side, if somebody misspeaks for a second, uh, like, like, um, [00:13:00] Wall Street years ago about his service, then he, then there's outrage because they're, because also because the media is trying to do the both sides ism thing instead of, and nobody wants to say adjudicated sexual assaulter and self admitted sucks, sexual assaulter.
Every time they introduce the president, they'd rather say president Trump instead. So they don't want to say the third guy who's been convicted of 34 felonies, they'd rather say President Trump. And so they normalize all this crazy shit that would be disqualifying if it was, if the candidate, even if the candidate had an R after his name in some cases, but definitely, definitely a Democrat.
No, I'm going to say no, no quizzes. There's no
Host Brian Copeland: case I could think of, you know, when you've got this Mark Robinson character who calls himself a black Nazi, explain that to me. First of all, he puts it on a porn site. Oh, why is it on a porn site that you're a black Nazi? That's where I put it. Yeah. I said, we already got all this.
I said, Nixon was just
Carlos Alazraqui: born at the wrong. Nixon timed it [00:14:00] too, too late. You know, Nixon. He didn't have Fox news. Nixon's in hell going, God damn it. I should have ran today. Why did I have to run in the seventies where it mattered? And then Dean, what was his name? Dean that, and that was it for him because that was his name.
Uh,
Host Brian Copeland: well, I can't remember who ran the last time. Uh, uh, I had him on, on radio as a guest who, who, uh, uh, what was it they were asking him about? He didn't know. Uh, I completely forget what it, what the, what the issue was. And it, it was a, a word dealing with a policy and he didn't know what the word meant. Uh, and, uh, I'm trying to think of who it was.
I, I know
Tom Sawyer: you're talking about, I can't remember the one. It was
Host Brian Copeland: open in the pickle jar and the whole thing. Yeah. Uh, uh, I, I can't think. But anyway, that was it. He's out, he was out. Now you can
Tom Sawyer: say I don't, I I, soldiers are suckers. Uh, you know, and you, it's, it's okay. And losers and losers. And handsome
Natasha Muse: commercials at their graves.
And you have soldiers voting for you. It kind of goes back to what you were saying, Carlos, about third party voters. People like on the left, they [00:15:00] want like their person to be like this morally upright, unassailable element. And the people on the right are just like, we just want our guy in. We don't care if he's a piece of shit, or we don't care if he's garbage, or he's done this or that.
Yeah, you and Tom,
Carlos Alazraqui: Yeah, you're right. You and Tom alluded to that, that Democrats have to be perfect. They have to please everyone. And again, we're, there are so many causes beyond just the Middle East and yes, it's horrific. And the Middle East has
Tom Sawyer: always been a nightmare for, you know, we, we are in America.
United States of America is not going to solve the Middle East. You know, we can, we can throw a little more weight around. And according to what Kamala has been talking about, Kamala, sorry. Kamala, yes. Yeah. And what she's been talking about, uh, we have a better, you have a better chance with her. Jill Stein, you know, Russian, Russian stooge is never going to be in office.
She doesn't have a party that's going to give her any leverage. She's not going to do anything. I don't even know I don't even understand why people [00:16:00] even bring her up because it's like she
Carlos Alazraqui: never even negotiated a price on a birthday cake.
Tom Sawyer: She doesn't even know. Did you see the interview where she didn't even know how many, uh, people were in the house of representatives.
Carlos Alazraqui: And Mehdi Hassan just tore her apart because even though she's written that we condemn all workers, she would not say that. Say on a broadcast with Mehdi Hassan that that Putin was a war criminal. Well, we've condemned him. Why can't you say it? Just say it. Why didn't you say you've called Netanyahu a war criminal?
Rightfully so. Why can't you say that he is a war criminal? I'm waiting, you know? Yeah. That was pretty good. Yeah, just put it right in there. Thank you. That was pretty good. Thank you. This idea that somebody will, this fantasy candidate. That the third party has nader stein that they're somehow going to win and the republicans are just gonna Drop over like a bad wrestler and fucking fake wrestling, you know, no the republicans It's a
Host Brian Copeland: it's a protest vote is what a lot of people will tell you
Carlos Alazraqui: Well, what it is, and believe me, I go over this in therapy a lot, and my [00:17:00] therapist will tell me, she'll say, listen, dude, you're powerless.
You cannot do anything. All you can do is vote and donate money to the ACLU. What these people believe, the Jimmy Dore fans and all this, is that somehow they have power. And that's what makes these misinformation, anti vaxxers, you know, I'm going to vote. Not both third party. It's a powerful thing is it makes you feel like you're part of a cause.
What? Because psychologically they don't want to accept that you do not have the power to change anything. That's reality. It's hard. It's cold. It sucks because we, we want to believe in the movies. We, we don't. There's too much money. You don't count. You go to the get money out of
Tom Sawyer: politics and you get a chance.
But until that day,
Carlos Alazraqui: forget about it. It's never
Tom Sawyer: going to happen.
Carlos Alazraqui: It's not going to happen. Your vote for this is what I was arguing about. A third party vote has never moved the needle and there's empirical data. When you voted for Nader, you made it worse.
Host Brian Copeland: Wait a minute, wait, back up, back up. When, when, when Teddy Roosevelt ran third party, he was viable, [00:18:00] wasn't he?
Didn't he run, didn't he run third party? I think that's like the last time. Way back there. Third party, that third party. Before all the dark
Carlos Alazraqui: money, right? Before all the dark money came in and before Citizens United. Voting for Nader yielded the Supreme Court and yielded Citizens United, which made it worse.
Yeah.
Carlos Alazraqui: It's so they, what people psychologically just want to believe that they have power and a voice in this world, and you know what? You don't. All you got to do, you have, unfortunately, we have to vote for who is less evil. We don't even have
Host Brian Copeland: to vote for who's got a chance.
Carlos Alazraqui: Otherwise, you're throwing your binary system.
Let me put it this way. It's a binary system. The other thing is to vote for either less than perfect. I'll take out the evil. You have to vote for less than perfect or fucking satanically monstrously evil. And that's an easy choice. Pragmatism is not sexy to people. Let me ask you this.
Host Brian Copeland: Let me ask you this.
What about the [00:19:00] cultism? Um, aspect of it because, uh, one of the, uh, some analysis I heard from a, uh, a psychiatrist or psychologist was that the reason why a lot of these folks, uh, will not admit that they're wrong, even when the evidence is right there who are supporting him and they know now that they're wrong, they will never admit it because they, they have grandchildren that they will never see again.
They have family members who have complaints and friends and jobs that they've lost and they have given up so much behind this fool that if they turn around now and admit that it was all for nothing, they can't live with that.
Natasha Muse: Yeah, it's the sunken cost fallacy, right? It's like you've invested so much of it of yourself into it.
You can't admit that you're wrong because then you just look foolish on top of everything else that you've lost.
Tom Sawyer: But that's the thing I hope for. And, and honestly, I, I don't really trust the polls and I haven't heard, I haven't heard many people who do, and the reason being is that, [00:20:00] um, you know, I can't believe that Trump actually got more people by being a convicted felon, by being an adjudicated sexual assaulter.
I can't believe people went. That's the guy for me. I was on the fence before, but since we, since, uh, he confessed about being a sexual assaulter and he's the 34 felonies, he's become my guy. Well, no, the
Host Brian Copeland: deal is he's a victim with what that does is it
Tom Sawyer: plays into the victimhood thing and that he's being persecuted.
I'm talking about the middle ground, the people that are. The people that are on the, the, the, in the cult, we've lost those people. They're gone. I'm talking about the people that have moved the needle where the, where it's gone from like 45 or 44 percent to 47 or 48%. Yeah. I don't believe those people exist.
Personally speaking. I don't believe that all the things that Trump has done in the last four years, including January 6th. Remember, this is again, January 6th is included in this. That, that. Three more people, three more percentage points said, that's my guy. Mm-Hmm. . So [00:21:00] I, I, I really think that the method that they have, they haven't really figured out cell phones.
They really haven't figured out how to hold young people. 'cause I think young people are really gonna, are really going to push the needle. Mm-Hmm. . In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Kamala won by more than Biden won. It wouldn't shock me.
Carlos Alazraqui: It wouldn't shock me either. I, I think you're right. Yeah. And I wanted to get back to the, the cultism thing that Brian brought up.
The cultism exists on the left side, right? You have your Jimmy Dore fans who want to go and show up. Jimmy Dore's not on
Tom Sawyer: the left though.
Carlos Alazraqui: No, no, no. But he's a cult figure. It's why he's a grifter. Who will not, he will never criticize Trump. He won't talk about voter suppression. He didn't stand up for Brittany Griner.
He doesn't care what happens on the Trump side. He'll only criticize the Democratic Party because that allows him to continue to have his audience who feels lost and the misinformation about vaccines. It enables that part of a person that's like, yeah, Jimmy, they are lying to us. We are powerful. And again, it's manipulation [00:22:00] and not telling people the truth that there is a binary choice in this election.
He's goading people into thinking that I can make a difference that it's such, it's such a powerful thing. And that's why Jimmy will not risk criticizing Trump at all because it's his livelihood. It
Host Brian Copeland: goes beyond that. I mean, if you look at what the mainstream media has done. I mean, you know, they've done nothing but bitch and moan on the right about the mainstream media and the mainstream media being fake news or being slanted to the left and so forth, and they have given Trump such a pass.
I mean, why, why is there not as much scrutiny now about, uh, about Trump's age? And whether or not Trump is senile and whether or not, whether or not he has the mental capabilities to run the country as there was when Biden was in the race. Biden's out. You hear something every now and then, but it's not the same.
And I'm talking about like the New York times. I'm talking about the Washington post. So why is it that they, that the mainstream media is not doing its job money? [00:23:00] It's all about money.
Natasha Muse: Their job is to get people to read the paper, right? They just,
Tom Sawyer: That's the thing is they're, they're like, they're like that, you know, that, that, that guy who is like, you know, 250 pounds overweight, but he thinks if he wears a nicer tie, he's going to get the babes, you know, it's like, they, they don't like you. They're never going to like you stop pretending to try to stop trying to get them to like you CNN.
I don't watch it. I've stopped watching CNN, but for about 45 years now, because they're there. They, they. If I watched him for five minutes, I get pissed off. So I'd said that's enough. Really? Why? Because they do the both sides is among everything. And Scott Jennings, that asshole, it, you know, it's like, Oh, he's horrible.
He's, he's horrible. Tapper. Do you like tappers? Like, did you see Nancy Pelosi chewed out tapper? No, no. I saw the headline. Yeah, I saw that. I had like for break. Well, so what did he do? What he brought up that [00:24:00] Trump said that she has, she has cognitive issues and he, he asked her, what do you think about that?
And he's like, why? She's like, why are you giving this guy oxygen on these statements that are absurd? Let's let's let's let's let's
Host Brian Copeland: talk about about oxygen and statements that are are absurd this morning on MSNBC and morning, Joe, his guest was was the guest was former Congressman Tim Ryan of Ohio, who used to represent Springfield, Ohio.
Carlos Alazraqui: I like he was to get a debate advance, right? I believe he was running.
Host Brian Copeland: Well, he said, uh, you know, he basically went off on Trump and dance about this Haitian immigrants eating dogs and cats thing. And he said, by the way,
Carlos Alazraqui: Jimmy door has not commented on,
Host Brian Copeland: but he says they don't give a damn about who they use, which bodies they step over in the process to gain power.
Uh, there is a Haitian, a nonprofit group now that has filed charges against, I don't know what these charges are, what they're supposed to, what they're [00:25:00] Yield, uh, but against, against Trump and bans for these lies. You've got schools that are being closed because of bomb threats. You've got a death threats against, against these, these people.
How did this story take hold? It's so ludicrous. It's so ridiculous. Why is that still getting oxygen? Why did he get oxygen to begin with? Other than, you know, uh, somewhere off in, in, in the, the, the kookiest parts of the dark web.
Carlos Alazraqui: I, I think what happened to what I had read. Probably wrong was that somebody was drugged out or whatever and may have eaten a pet.
Somebody's bit may have, I'm going to say may. Oh no, the woman came forward. The
Host Brian Copeland: woman came forward
Carlos Alazraqui: and apologized. Right. He said, I found my cat or whatever. And on Stephanie Miller, I said, people were eating people in Florida. On bath salts. And it wasn't such a big issue, right? People were taking bath salts and chewing on people.
Granted, they were already dead, but they were cannibalizing people because they were eating bath salt. And that wasn't a story, but those because it's a
Tom Sawyer: narrative. Yeah. Yeah. They're white [00:26:00] people.
Host Brian Copeland: I mean, it's just, it's just, it just boggles the mind. I mean, it is, I don't see how this is
Tom Sawyer: predominantly Republican on top of that.
Host Brian Copeland: And the Republican Republican mayor has come forward and in defense of the governor
Tom Sawyer: and you know, so it's like it doesn't again. It's it doesn't it. It really doesn't matter. There's no there's no line in the sand. I think I saw a video actually, where there was a guy and a Trump mask and another guy with a stick on a beach and he and it starts out with him drawing a line in the stand and Trump's like, you know, kind of hedging and finally steps over that.
And then you see behind him, there's like. 3040 lines behind them and they go, okay, don't step over this one, you know, so that's what it, that's what it's like, except they're not even, they don't even care if he steps over a line. There is no line that they, that, that makes him a bad person.
Carlos Alazraqui: Yeah, again, it's about power, and I said on Tiffany Miller that the fact that this guy got shot in the Pennsylvania, [00:27:00] Pennsylvania rally, the fact that Ashley Babbitt died is all on the Republicans who, after January 6th, did not say, Fuck no, that guy is not, never running, impeach and convict, unanimous decision, Easy.
The fact that they let him go means that he gets to campaign where he gets to hold rallies and somebody gets shot. If they do their job, let's get a time machine. And they say, no, none of this ever happens. That fireman is still alive. Well, I'll tell you what,
Host Brian Copeland: this is what cracks me up is, is the fact that they will say, and Trump will say.
That, uh, guns are not a problem in this country, but now he's given a speeches behind. Yeah,
that
Tom Sawyer: would be, that would be hilarious. He just, you see, Oh, did you
Host Brian Copeland: see, did you see this? So, so the, the attempted assassin that lived, um, a judge has been assigned to his case. Did you hear about this? I [00:28:00] mean, canon, God, are you kidding me?
Nope. Eile Cannon is the judge who some, I mean, come on. Yeah, come on. I mean, Trump wasn't this lucky when he, when he owned casinos, when she was bankrupt the casinos, he wasn't this lucky. So it's like the whole, and she won't, you know, and they, she, she's expected to recuse us what? This, and she should recuse, but she's not gonna recuse.
Yeah. You know, she wants to be on the Supreme Court.
Natasha Muse: It's seriously, they get to rec, they just get to decide whether or not they're gonna be. Moral or ethical. They just, you know, we can't make them recuse themselves. They just have to decide that that's the right thing to do, even when it's obvious that that's what they should be doing.
Yeah, my
Tom Sawyer: understanding was that she had been talked to very sternly by a by a senior judge in Florida who is a Republican as well on the just on the, um, the documents case and was told that she should recuse herself and she doesn't. She doesn't. Why? You know, there's no, there's no real law on [00:29:00] the books.
And again, we're finding out the problem. The biggest problem we have in this country are norms. You know, we don't have laws. We have norms and traditions and
Host Brian Copeland: so forth. Yeah. So expect people to live by or to follow or do it here too. And it's never come up before that somebody has, I mean, I'm looking today.
Yeah. You see Trump's latest grift. His latest grift is he's calling silver Trump coins. And what it is, it's one troy ounce of silver. It's got his picture on the front, the white house on the back, and his signature. And they're a hundred dollars, which is three times the cost of one troy ounce of silver as of today.
So, so this is the latest script. I mean, it's like, I remember when it was an outrage when Ronald Reagan took, what was it? Two, what did he get? $2 million. Mm-Hmm. for, for giving a speech after he left the White House. Yeah. That was the first thing he did was he gave a speech in Japan of all places for like $2 million.
And it was like such an outrage. And you know, this is, it's beneath the dignity of the presidency and so [00:30:00] forth. And here you got a guy, you know, selling, you know, trading cards. .
Tom Sawyer: Well, not only that, but he just said that. He just said out loud. At at some thing, you know, just recently that he could take care of the deficit with Bitcoin.
He could eliminate the 34 trillion dollar deficit with Bitcoin. Yeah, I know. It's just it's like, you're just this guy's insane and nobody's going. Uh, he's a lunatic and nobody, especially on CNN, I mean, they do it all the time on M-S-N-B-C, but as soon as Trump gets elected, those, all those people are in the Gulag
It's gotta be no more M-S-N-B-C. Oh no, that's gone.
Carlos Alazraqui: It's frightening. It is frightening watching the guardrails come down. You know, my wife's 20 years younger than me, and she'll get like, why are you getting, and you tell people that.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah, yeah, let's keep women fans. Really? Tell people that it's
Carlos Alazraqui: just the way she's not an actress.
So that helps. Um, Yeah, but yeah I grew up [00:31:00] in a in a calmer time For politics was the world just as evil probably but at least there was some decorum Like I said, at least nixon had had to resign nixon had to resign and he did One gazillionth of what trump has done and so yeah, it's scary watching all the guardrails come down And even my brother who's always been a optimist with this country.
The country always seems to write itself. Don't worry. My brother's like, fuck Jesus Christ. Well, you know, but there,
Host Brian Copeland: there has been, you know, there's a lot of stuff that we are finding out about the past that we didn't, we didn't know about. I saw some footage recently of Joseph McCarthy's funeral. Now, you know, McCarthy, McCarthyism, uh, you know, he was censured by the Senate.
Uh, he drank himself to death. Uh, he is, you know, anything I've ever read about him in school or heard about him, he's been reviled. And you look at his funeral in Wisconsin, look at the footage, it's online. There were tens of thousands of people there, tens of thousands of people there. Oh, he owed a lot of
Tom Sawyer: people money.[00:32:00]
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah, but you got
Tom Sawyer: blackness that didn't show up
Host Brian Copeland: to the funeral. What was the old joke? You give the people what they want. Blackness just
Carlos Alazraqui: didn't show.
Host Brian Copeland: But I mean, there's always there have always been been movements that have been led by crazies or that, you know, have, uh, have captured the imagination of, of, um, I'm, this is going to sound elitist, but I'll say it, the gullible, I mean, that, that's it, you know, you, you were either a, you were either a racist and a bigot, or you are a dupe one, one of the two, right?
And that's a, I know that's a terrible thing to say about half of America, but it, it, give me a better explanation. Give me a better explanation. I love
Tom Sawyer: the Beatles, but I didn't wear their underwear. Yeah.
Host Brian Copeland: Oh, I did.
Carlos Alazraqui: I
Tom Sawyer: wore my Ringo underwear. Yes.
Carlos Alazraqui: The problem, I'll say it again, is that, uh, complicity is, uh, I mean, uh, com Pragmatism is viewed as complicity and [00:33:00] pragmatism is not sexy anymore.
People, again, will want to vote so they can change the world, which is the biggest fallacy ever. Well, but
Host Brian Copeland: here's the thing, individually, no. Collectively, yes. Collectively, you can make it. You can make a change collectively.
Tom Sawyer: Yeah, that's been the less problem all along. That's why we have six, uh, conservative Supreme Court justices because they could never see the forest through the woods, you know, they, it was always, it was always like, well, I'm voting against Hillary because, you know, and, you know, and which is like one of the reasons why I'm not friends with Rick Overton anymore, you know, because, you know, Rick's gone.
You know, he's just gone. I like, you know, I have no tolerance anymore, no
Host Brian Copeland: tolerance. All right. I will ask you this question on, uh, we'll go from one to 10 with 10 being the highest number. How many of any friends. Have you lost since 2016 [00:34:00] over politics with 10 being the highest that we say more than 10 fewer than 10 or none.
Tom Sawyer: I'm talking about, I lost a 40 year friendship. If you conclude the anti vaxxing thing, it's, it's like about 20, 20 ish.
Carlos Alazraqui: Yeah. Maybe three or four for me. One's on a thread.
Natasha Muse: Yeah. I'd say under 10 for me. You'd say under 10? Yeah. It's mostly people I've known for a long time.
Host Brian Copeland: Mm-Hmm. . And then, see that's the thing.
There are people though, who, who will hear this and say, oh, okay. Whether radicals, anybody who'd be over politics. And that's what drives me crazy, because calling us this just PS goes again with that whole norm thing. I mean, there's a, there's a meme that's been going around on Facebook for months about, you know, don't, don't let two people who you've never met.
You know, ruin your friendships and, and when, you know, and normal circumstances, you could agree to disagree. I can't agree to disagree about racism. I can't agree to disagree about, about sexism and about, and about, you know, assaulting women or about, uh, demonizing people because they happen to be [00:35:00] Brown or speak a different language or come from another country or worship a different God, I can't agree to disagree with you about that.
Those are not policy issues. About or about that. Oh, speaking of that, speaking of alternative facts, which was Kellyanne Conway, uh, coined her husband, George has got a pack. I just, I just saw this right before he started to record. He's got a pack and it's called, I think it's called no psycho. Yes. Okay. So he's got two ads that had dropped today.
We see this with, with, with two of the women who Trump has as sexually assaulted the one woman on the plane in 1979 in first class, who then later on, he had the nerve to say, well, she wasn't my type. I always says that, you know, and then there was another woman who was very, you know, both very credible, uh, another woman who was a reporter for, uh, for people magazine.
Who went to Mar a Lago to do a whole photo spread and a story on Trump. And it's, it's, I guess, uh, well, he was married to Melania at the time. [00:36:00] So that's not that long ago. And, uh, when Melania left the room, he pushed her against the wall and like, tried to kiss her and stuff. And instead, you know, as she's walking in the room before he could hear her, uh, Trump says to her, you realize we're going to have an affair, right?
Tom Sawyer: Well, this is the guy that said, he said, I grabbed women by the pussy, you know, he said it, you know, and then, and I, I'm sure you've, most of you've seen the deposition that he did for the Eugene Carroll case where he pretty much admitted, yes, again, I am a celebrity and celebrities do grab women by the pussy and it's always been like
Host Brian Copeland: that.
He said, he says, I'm paraphrasing, but that it's always, you have to go back to the prehistoric times. It's
Carlos Alazraqui: I'm sorry. Go ahead, Natasha.
Natasha Muse: I was gonna say it probably has been like that with a lot of men treating women that way. And it's just like you were saying, the guardrails are coming down, even not just in politics, but also in the entertainment business too.
Absolutely. Along with the guardrails, the veils and the walls that he did, you know, the decorum. Well, I'll tell
Host Brian Copeland: you the, the, the show that I was sending you [00:37:00] guys about before, I'll plug it at the end, and I'm, I'm doing, starting tomorrow that I did the last election cycle called the, the Great American Shit Show.
And what it is, it's, it's four monologues on life in the, in the, in the Age of Trump. One of the, the, the monologues that I did is on Me Too. And it's, I've had to read completely rewrite and redo it from when I did it four years ago, because four years ago there was a reckoning and people were getting in trouble for, for, for their behavior.
And now you look at what's happened. Cosby is out, uh, uh, Harvey Weinstein's, uh, uh, New York conviction. For rape for 16 years in Rikers Island, that's been thrown out, although they've got him in, they've got him in, uh, in LA. So he's not, he's not going anywhere. Uh, you have got Louis CK, who was canceled for all of five minutes, uh, who is now selling out Madison square garden again.
You've got Kevin Spacey being vehemently defended by Liam Neeson and Sharon Stone and others who say that it's time to let [00:38:00] him out of movie jail because Quote, we need him. Yeah, we need him. We need him. So, so, you know, again, this, you know, me too, in times of our debt, they're, they are, I, I would you agree additionally with that?
Carlos Alazraqui: It's certainly again, that proverbial line in the sand that you, that is aforementioned in this show has, has changed, right? You can go a little bit farther before you get me to, you know, maybe, it's an age thing, right? Maybe they're consenting adults, you know, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I think it has died down in the wake of other news stories for sure.
And the
Host Brian Copeland: pendulum's the pendulum swung at one point, I think too far. I think the pendulum swung too far. And I think that that's a problem. I mean, I think that there are people who got in trouble. I mean, there's, there's no written, it's not just because I happen to like him, uh, even though I've never met him personally, I've always liked him and been a fan actually, uh, is that, you know, Al Franken should not have lost [00:39:00] his seat in the Senate based on, on that.
I mean, we've all done stupid stuff, you know, he didn't touch her eating GoPro. I mean, it was in bad taste and it was juvenile, but it's not the same thing as, as Harvey Weinstein, but you know,
Carlos Alazraqui: or Anthony Weiner sending pictures of his wiener was, well, that's
Host Brian Copeland: yeah.
Natasha Muse: Well, yeah, there you can't go back for more.
He couldn't stop.
Carlos Alazraqui: Yeah. Like Tiger Woods. It's like Lay's potato
Tom Sawyer: chips.
Natasha Muse: Yeah.
Carlos Alazraqui: You can't eat just one, right? But yeah. The needle has moved. We're accepting, we're accepting of, uh, it takes a whole lot more to shock and to, and or to awaken us. And yeah, you're right. There were, there were a lot of, uh, false stories, you know, that people were crying me too, when it wasn't me too.
And then there are the Deshaun Watsons of the world that are still allowed to play football, you know, after 28 cases.
Host Brian Copeland: How long it took to get Diddy and R. Kelly? I mean, why in the world? I mean, everybody, I'd not heard stuff about Diddy, but [00:40:00] everybody had heard stuff about R Kelly. Yeah. I mean, everybody, I mean that the boondocks did an episode about R Kelly 15 years ago.
Carlos Alazraqui: Yeah.
Host Brian Copeland: You know, why did it, why did it take so long? You know, so, um, but I will tell you the one, the one that I think was unfair. And you tell me whether or not you think this was appropriate or not. And again, and I will tell you upfront, um, he's a friend of mine. And we're not super close for the rights to say more of an acquaintance, but I consider him a friend.
I like him very much. And that's Tavis Smiley and Tavis Smiley had a, a, a nightly show on PBS. And, uh, it was produced by his own production company, meaning he was in charge of the entire, all the content, everything he did, the hiring, firing, the booking, it was all him, um, sponsored by Walmart, I think. Or, uh, so he lost his gig during me too, because he had had consensual relationships with two subordinates and they talked to the women and said, Oh, yeah, he was my boyfriend and you know, and, and, and, um, I guess other people in the company complain because they say the, [00:41:00] uh, there's no way you could have a consensual relationship with a subordinate.
Number one, and number two, just the perception that all the other employees had that perhaps this, his girlfriend was getting preferential treatment because he's his girlfriend, that's pretty much cost him his career. And I, I just don't think, um, I mean, I wouldn't do it for, for exactly those reasons, however.
You know, I, I wouldn't do it, but I don't think you should be putting him in the same basket as Harvey Weinstein.
Tom Sawyer: I agree. I think, uh, yeah, I think it's, uh, anytime there, anytime there's a big shift, uh, to one side or the other, there's, there's going to be a counter shift eventually. And also, there is, uh, there is certain things, I'd like, For instance, uh, Louis CK, you know, Louis can go back to performing standup because it's an individual thing that, you know, people buy a ticket, you know, as far as him being, [00:42:00] having his movie career back or his television career back, it's over, you know, maybe like another 10, 15 years, they'll give him another shot, but it's never going to be the way it was.
He's never going to have that same fire again, because You know, those things are because he really hasn't, you know, take an account of what he's done. He really hasn't taken any real responsibility. He hasn't gotten. He's joking about
Host Brian Copeland: it.
Tom Sawyer: He's actually joking about it. Yeah, he's got, it's yeah. And he, you know, what he did was really fucked
Host Brian Copeland: up.
And I hear that the women have been blackballed. I hear the women comics who came forward have been blackballed and they're having one of my waitresses
Tom Sawyer: at Cobb's. Oh,
Host Brian Copeland: really? Really? Wow.
Tom Sawyer: Yeah. Did, did you before in the early days. Yeah. You know, and it was just him, uh, him saying, Hey, would you like to come back to my hotel room and watch me jerk off?
You know? Yeah. Who can beat that? You know, . Yeah. Wow. Who can say no to all? And I got some seka.[00:43:00]
Natasha Muse: I wonder how many people thought he
Carlos Alazraqui: could show me his new, his new bits.
Natasha Muse: I wonder how many people thought that was just like a euphemism for like watching him play videos because she had his writing. She
Tom Sawyer: said she just looked at him like he was a lunatic. . But then, but then, but that's the thing is like you do that.
And maybe one out of every 20 women that you proposition in that fashion goes, okay, you know, they got something going on with them that they, you know, some damage that they need to get fixed. But, but then you realize, Oh, I don't like these odds. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to invite the woman to the room and then ask her then, and then the, then a bunch of them get up and leave and you feel bad and you feel guilty.
Well, then maybe if I just lock the door and start jerking off.
Carlos Alazraqui: But you compare that to what Deshaun Watson did, Deshaun Watson is still, yeah, Deshaun Watson is still playing football, that, that is his movie. Refresh my memory, refresh my memory. Deshaun Watson quarterback out of Clemson, now he's quarterback for the Cleveland Browns, 28 sexual assault cases against him.
[00:44:00] Good lord. All massage therapists that said he went too far, demanded happy endings, yadda yadda. Not one, not two, t t t twenty eight. And so have there been criminal
Host Brian Copeland: charges, a civil suit? All
Carlos Alazraqui: kinds
Host Brian Copeland: of
Carlos Alazraqui: stuff,
Host Brian Copeland: yeah. Fines from the NFL, any, any of that kind of stuff?
Carlos Alazraqui: You're allowed to be drafted by the Cleveland Browns.
But don't bend the knee. Something million. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But don't bend a knee during the anthem. Yeah, that's, that's a bridge too far. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, yeah, there are certain cases where if you're good at something, if you are bringing in money, Lawrence, Lawrence Phillips, famously, Tom Osborne, revered in Nebraska, America's coach, Coach Osborne, at the time Lawrence Phillips was playing for him, he dragged his girlfriend down the stairs, Lawrence Phillips, and Osborne just looked the other way and says, well, you gonna play on Saturday for me because we got a big championship game going around.
It's always been like that. Can make somebody money. They will do everything to do to keep you making them money. You know, I mean, how long did
Host Brian Copeland: it take for Aaron Hernandez to actually finally lose [00:45:00] his giant and kill something? I had to get arrested for murder, not even murder somebody because he'd already done one.
He had to get actually arrested for murder before urban Meyer,
Carlos Alazraqui: urban Meyer turned a blind eye at Florida.
Host Brian Copeland: And Well, and how many chances did OJ get? Yeah, I mean, in terms of, of Hertz and, and uh, uh, his sponsorships and things. I mean, they knew about, uh, about the, the assault with Nicole, about the first, uh, yeah, the first court.
There was, there was some, I don't think he was arrested, but there was some charges and, and she recanted. Yeah, she recanted. Oh, we were drinking and we had a bad night, and, you know, which is what
Tom Sawyer: Yeah. Happens what you do if you don't wanna get hit again. Yeah.
Host Brian Copeland: All right. Well, see, we're trying to fix the world.
We're talking about changing things. We're here right now trying to fix the world.
Carlos Alazraqui: It's scary. Yeah, it's scary. We're
Tom Sawyer: already banned from Twitter. I'm recording all of this stuff. You say any bad words.
Carlos Alazraqui: Yeah.
Host Brian Copeland: Well, we're already banned from Twitter. You guys took care of that. We're banned from Twitter now. So, Elon's [00:46:00] not going to have us on.
I'm not going to get my, my, my drive and describe gig with Tesla now either. I guess that that's gone. Uh, do a Rivian. Let's uh, let, oh, let me throw this out. Okay. Um, so endorsed Kamala, Oprah has endorsed Kamala, Scarlett Johansson, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, all of these. Uh, yeah. Have, have, and there there are no big, you know, there you got the Kid Rocks and the Chachis and those guys who were Canadian.
Do you know the, the Kevin Sobo and Ho Hogan and Hulk Hogan and, and, and those kind of people. . And, and so Trump is, is attacking Kless celebrity endorsements. Uh, saying that the fact that those people are endorsing her shows that she's out of touch. With regular americans.
Carlos Alazraqui: Oh, okay. Yeah, the guy who flies on a big fucking plane with his name on it golden toilet guy Uh, yeah, of course he is i'm gonna be the protector protector of all women.
I will [00:47:00] I hate janice swift. I'm gonna protect women God yeah, that's what I Yeah, that was creepy. That was Elon saying about giving her a baby or something like that.
Host Brian Copeland: Leon,
yeah.
Host Brian Copeland: Leon Elon said that. But again, from the mind of a citizen. Leon
Carlos Alazraqui: Musk. From, Leon Musk. From, Musk. I ain't South African. I'm just African.
Um, yeah, again, from the, from the mind of a sociopath who thinks in his own dumb way that that's funny because this, the paid sycophants will laugh at that. Where regular people just go, Ooh, dude, creepy. What, what's come on?
Tom Sawyer: Yeah. Yeah. Cringy, creepy, weird. I mean, these guys are, these guys are everything. And I think that's, going back to the friend part, I think that's the problem is that, why we lost because you could be, I had a lot of people that, well, not a lot of people, but I had enough people in my life that were definitely Republicans, but it [00:48:00] wasn't the same concept.
It wasn't the same. And when I'm. Stakes the stakes were different. It was just we're gonna we'd go to a war which was a work, you know Did they? Went to iran or iraq or whatever in you know It's all those shitty things that make them a bunch of money that they corrupt things and stuff But now we're talking about the end of our country We're talking about the end of america.
Yeah, and if you can't figure out the stakes are that high then you're not you're you're You You're
Host Brian Copeland: gone. We'll see. Here's the thing with me, too, is that is it's not a Democrat and Republican thing with me. There's nothing to do with being a Republican as far as I'm concerned, because these people are a lot of Republicans that are, you know, look, Liz, I'm on Dick Cheney side.
I'm on the same side as Dick Cheney.
Carlos Alazraqui: That's weird. Strange. That's weird.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah, isn't that weird?
Carlos Alazraqui: Hey, Copeland, you want a spoon?
Host Brian Copeland: Dick Cheney and his daughter and me, we're all on the same bus. I mean, if you'd have said that'll happen someday, you still got to
Carlos Alazraqui: [00:49:00] sit in the back.
Host Brian Copeland: What
Carlos Alazraqui: did I say?
Tom Sawyer: Yeah, and that's what cracks me up is about, then you get people that, on the left that go, Yeah, well, don't you see the problem with that?
I go, No, we're, we're all saying the stakes are that high where I could go with somebody who I think, uh, you know, I just, I don't like those people, but I, but if they can bring 10 people over to vote for Kamala, I'm all, I'm in. Thank you very much. Alright, now let ask
Host Brian Copeland: you, let me ask you guys this, okay?
Because we, we are about 45 minutes into the show and we have spent 45 minutes. Trump, bing. We have. So I'm, I'm going to ask you and I'm gonna recuse myself and I'll, I'll explain you why in a second. Okay. Judge, tell, tell me something. Tell me something that no, she, I wouldn't recuse if I were canid. Tell, tell, tell me something that you don't like.
About, uh, about Kamala or Kamala's campaign, something that you don't like. And I'm recusing because I, I, I know her [00:50:00] personally and I, I've noticed this, you ran for DA in San Francisco and liked her, I've always liked her. So I, I can't be unbiased about this. That is, is there something, is there, I saw a headline from the daily beast or something, I was skimming and I didn't see the article, but supposedly her campaign's falling apart, but it was one outlier article.
So I don't know what they're talking about, but tell me, tell me one thing that you don't like. Tell me one thing that bothers you, or, or is there anything,
Carlos Alazraqui: oh, shoot. We lost you.
Tom Sawyer: No, we lost you.
Carlos Alazraqui: Go ahead. Go ahead. I wish that she would,
Tom Sawyer: yeah, there you're, yeah, there we go.
Natasha Muse: Yeah.
Oh, I just said, oh, sorry. Can you hear me? Oh, I just was saying, I wish that she would court people towards the left, instead of trying to build bridges with these people on the right. I feel like she could get the votes that she needs coming more in this direction and not. [00:51:00] Uh, mostly with the Middle East.
I think with supporting Israel the way that she does, I would rather that we don't spend all that so much money giving, uh, to them. I think she could
Tom Sawyer: be tougher with, uh, Israel on, on Palestine for sure. I think what bothers me is the, um, I just, I worry about, um, About her being stale on the, on the Pat answers, you know, you know, she, when I watched the Oprah thing, it was so much of the, the same stuff I heard at the convention, same stuff I've heard at some of her rallies, the same answers.
You have to make them seem off the top of your head. You have to make them fresh, even if you're saying relatively the same thing. Yeah. But if you say the exact same way, every time you're in a telemetry, yeah, it feels stale. And it feels like I'm like, I'm checked out because I get the impression [00:52:00] that I'm not going to hear anything different than I've heard before.
And I get that you really, they always, people always say, I need more details. I need more details, even though they don't want details, details around the website. If you want details, they're there, read them or, Hey, about, how about you? News media, why don't report on them? They're on the website. Report on the details.
Carlos Alazraqui: Yeah, the one thing I will, I will agree with you. I wish that, uh, She would be more off the cuff on his and be tougher on Israel, but we have to realize it's an election year She cannot both please people in Dearborn, Michigan and uh also at the same time offend the Israeli lobby. It's an election year She unfortunately Right now has to wade right down the middle carefully to win once she wins That is the point where I want the left to apply pressure.
Yeah, you agree you have to be Again, pragmatic. She can't give you what you want on the Middle East. We were not going to get it because that risks losing the Israeli or Jewish American vote. She has to steer right down the middle. What pisses [00:53:00] me off is Trump doesn't have to, Trump doesn't have to have to answer to any of that.
He just says, I'm going to make it better. If I, it never would have happened and I'm going to make it better. That's what pisses me off. Why does Kamala? Have to please both sides. , why aren't we asking? When these people from Dearborn that I'm arguing with on Twitter, you realize if you withhold your vote, like I said, yeah, you're gonna get something where you don't ask it of Trump.
Nobody is demanding that Trump tell Israel to back off. So unfortunately, the Democrat is the one who has to steer clear down the middle. And I, I'm sorry. Yeah, I don't like it, but I accept it because Yeah, I get it. She has to win the election.
Host Brian Copeland: Alright, how much of the Biden administration's. Legacy does she carry?
Because that's one of the arguments as well. She was going to do all this stuff. She's had three and a half years to do it. Why doesn't she ever do that? Well, she's not the president. That was the
Carlos Alazraqui: Republicans blocked anything good. I just, there was a one on it, the border Billcock that was just going over everything, that, how the bills work, [00:54:00] what they need to pass the Senate and the this and that, they get blocked the border legislation.
She and she and Biden came up with conservatives. Mm-Hmm. on the border and Trump killed it. Mm-Hmm. , he, I think she probably wanted to, was getting close to Negoti negotiation with, and by the way, the Middle East, freaking Israel. For is protesting more against Netanyahu than we are, the people in Israel are so, but yeah, she was looking for solutions, but she's being blockaded by this Republican House and Republicans in the Senate and vice presidents really don't do that much.
Host Brian Copeland: Well, you know, she said that she she'll work to get rid of the filibuster. Senate and I like that. Which was, I love, I like that idea too. Love it. So, you know, in order to make sure that, that, uh, uh, women, they get the reproductive rights back, uh, well, if she wins, if she doesn't have a Democratic Congress, it's, you know, we're back.
I'm worried. I'm
Tom Sawyer: worried about her. I'm more worried about her seat than I am. I, I think the house is locked, locked into the Democrats this time around. 'cause they have such a small, my uh, uh. The Republicans have such a [00:55:00] small lead and I can't believe after watching that shit show for like the last two years that they're going to pick up seats.
Um, but in, in, in actually the Senate's looking really good as well. I mean, there's a, a lot of close races and a lot of races that were close, uh, before that have moved towards the Democrat side.
Host Brian Copeland: We just see the news this morning, you know, we're very close to or were very close to a government shutdown again on October 1st.
And Mitch McConnell
Tom Sawyer: even said, dude, dude, election year, you're out of your minds. Well,
Host Brian Copeland: they're, well, they're doing it with Democrats, they, you know, the Republicans in the house have defected. And so the speaker has gone with it with democratic votes in order to get it passed. You know, so, I mean, so that again, that shows how, how extreme they are.
Thank you for showing
Tom Sawyer: us. That's what I keep telling. Thank you. Get Marjorie Taylor green, more on the TV, get, get those people more out there and give them the microphone, Bobbit, all those, you know, [00:56:00]
Host Brian Copeland: I've been following her lately. I've seen much about her lately. Is she expected to win her race? Because it was like a ruby red district, which is why she moved because the district that she had been representing, she had no chance in hell of getting reelected.
But the one that she's in, I mean, so how's it? I haven't been following her at all. Did you guys know how she's doing?
Carlos Alazraqui: I do not know. But one thing we glazed over is that you are, you have a personal friendship or have met Kamala. And I was, we just glazed over that. What are your impressions? Since you have a relationship with her, you know,
Host Brian Copeland: it's been years since I've talked to her, but I'll tell you, I'll tell you my experience.
I'll tell you what I'm displeased
Carlos Alazraqui: with.
Host Brian Copeland: I will tell you how it is, how it is the way that I met her. Was when she was running, and I tell the story in the new show. Wait
Carlos Alazraqui: a minute, Brian, when you met her, was she Indian or was she black?
Host Brian Copeland: I got it. No, no, I'm just going to get thrown away. Uh, so she, so she's [00:57:00] running for, for D. A. It's her first, her first campaign, and she was running against, uh, against Terrence Hallinan. And, uh, Terrence Hallinan, the Hallinan family is, uh, it's a name that has been in the DNA of San Francisco for generations in terms of politics and law.
And, uh, he was the incumbent D. A. And, you know, it comes from money, uh, you know, walked into, into my studio. I was doing a show for, for, uh, for KGO radio in San Francisco at the time. I had a Sunday morning show. And so, um, I had a debate between the two of them. So he comes into my studio and he just, you know, like people will come in and they just, the way they stand, they have this just sense of entitlement.
And, you know, I will shake your hand, you know, because it's perfunctory and you should be happy that I'm shaking your hand. It was like one of those kinds of things. Only time I ever met the man. And then she came in and was, you know, thanks for the opportunity and blah, blah, blah. And you're just very, you know, I liked her when she came in.
So the way the format was, is I would have a question [00:58:00] and, um, they would take turns in terms of who got to go first. I had a timekeeper and each person got two minutes to answer the question. So, uh, he, he would, if he was first, he'd answer his question. And then when it was her turn, he would act exactly Like Trump acts, he would talk over her.
He would try to shout her down. He would cut her off. He would, you know, dismiss. I mean, it was just really in part of me is thinking, is this because she's black or is this because she's a woman? Because if I can't, I mean, a guy would have popped him on the way he was acting. And so finally at one point she said, and this is what ended it.
But she said, Terrence, shut up. This is over live air. She said, shut up Terrence over, over, over live air. And, uh, and, and he was just flabbergasted because it was like, how dare somebody speak to me that way? Nobody's ever talked to me like that before. It was like, you know, that was kind of his reaction. So this is on a, on a Sunday morning, the election was on Tuesday and she won, which was a surprise.
She [00:59:00] won to come first woman, DA San Francisco, first woman, first person of color D in San Francisco. So she came back the following Sunday. Um, which is a big deal because usually politicians, unless you're friendly with them personally, won't come on unless they're running because they don't need you. But she came out and I said to her on this on the air, I said to her, you know, how did you deal with that?
Last week, he was so nasty. I mean, he treated her like, like dog shit. He stepped in and I'm not exaggerating if anything, I'm downplaying how bad it was. And, and I go, how did you, you know, he was just so mean to you. And she laughed and she goes, Oh, I'm a prosecutor. I deal with fools like this all the time that, you know, that's what she said.
And from then we, we kind of became, you know, yeah. Friendly, we became friendly, you know, um, you know, she would come out. In fact, uh, she was one of the first people who congratulated me with not a genuine black man. It was a hit in San Francisco. I got a call from. Yeah. Uh, but not so much since [01:00:00] she, once she became the A.
G. and moved to Sacramento, I don't think I've talked to her since then. So, it's been a while. It's been a while. But for a while, I talked to her a lot, and she would come on all the time. She would come on all the time.
Carlos Alazraqui: She hasn't, that moxie hasn't changed, you know? No.
Host Brian Copeland: And she was classy, and she, and she knew her stuff.
And, and they were trying the same smears and I'm not going to say what they are because I don't want, I don't want to give them air, but you've all heard the smears that the right is using regarding her and, and, and her rise to politics. And I know all the parties involved in it's bullshit. It's not true.
You know, it's just flat out untrue. I'll, I'll say it. Um, but, uh, you know, I think she'll, I think she'll do a great job. I think she has not had a chance to shine, you know, in the vice president's role because quite frankly, you're not
Tom Sawyer: supposed to. Yeah. Can I ask a question? Has anybody seen the Lincoln Project ad with Sam Elliott?
Carlos Alazraqui: Yeah, it's great. We do know Stephanie Miller. He dropped an F bomb. Yeah, we're tired [01:01:00] of the same fucking thing. Let's just vote for somebody. It's so Sam Elliott. It's so great. Yeah, that's what I said. Stephanie. I want you to, I want you to waltz right into that voting boot and grow some Harris on your cojones.
I'm sorry, Tom, you do it better. You have a deeper
man out there. Don't understand. Do you want to see a woman?
Tom Sawyer: Yeah.
Get over yourself.
Tom Sawyer: Pretty much that's, I've not seen it. See it. It's a great ad. It's great.
Carlos Alazraqui: But I wanted to get back everywhere. We all said that we would love to see Kamala do more for the Palestinian cause in the Middle East.
I think the difference with us is that if she doesn't promise to do it. That doesn't mean I'm not going to vote for her.
Tom Sawyer: Right,
Carlos Alazraqui: because it's just too much at stake. This is where I get mad of these people that are third party voters that say, We demand it! Well that's fine, you can demand it, but what if it doesn't happen?
Now, you're going to do it out of spite. [01:02:00] Now this is not a pragmatic choice, it's an emotional response, reaction. It's not a response. But also it's about You're getting pissed, and you're going to hit. and punish her because you're not getting what you want. That is dangerous. Yes. So yes, we would love for her to come further left.
But I'm saying, even if she doesn't, because it's an election year, I'm going to be pragmatic like Bernie Santas, like Dino Badala, who's Palestinian American. You can follow Dean on CNN and follow him on Twitter. Pragmatism is the way to go. Especially I agree with you a hundred
Tom Sawyer: percent.
Carlos Alazraqui: Yes. Look, you're very right on this issue.
Thank you, Bernie. I
Tom Sawyer: think, um, no, I think that, uh, uh, I always look at like, who, who do I have the best chance to fix something that I want fixed? Right. Right. You know, and that hasn't been the case for Republicans in forever. And it's mainly because Republicans have been, when they've been chasing racists for a long time and a long time,
Host Brian Copeland: [01:03:00] you
Tom Sawyer: know, and I was telling some guy I was golfing with, uh, And he got really, really mad at me.
And, uh, he got, uh, and, um, like the plague now, cause it just said, you know what, here's my little thing. I vote against the guy, the Nazi's like, yeah, yeah, that's it. That's where I, that's where I do it. If the Nazi's go, he's my guy. He's not
Host Brian Copeland: my guy. Well, see, that's the thing. It's like, it's like, you know, Trump was endorsed twice, twice formally endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan.
They have a newspaper. Did you know that? I had no idea until they endorsed them in 2016. They had the KKK has a newspaper
Carlos Alazraqui: papers all white. Ain't no black ink on it. All the news reads quick that way.
Host Brian Copeland: How do you, how do you say I'm on the same side that they are? But then again, you could go back to when they were Democrats. What's worse is how
Carlos Alazraqui: do you stay silent on that? And again, I'm going to go after the Rob Schneider's and the Jimmy doors of the world who say. That Oh, Trump isn't [01:04:00] racist. I said, at best, he's blowing the dog whistle for racism.
And that's not blowing a
Host Brian Copeland: dog whistle. He's yelling into a dog. Yeah,
Carlos Alazraqui: he blew the dog whistle. But so I have a problem with people that will stay silent on that. They'll talk about how bad the Democrats are. How'd Kamala is not giving us what we want, but they will stay silent. On the racism that Trump is because they don't want to lose their grift.
They don't want to lose the audience. And I'm, I'm more pissed off at people who will emit like Glenn Greenwald, like Jimmy Dore, like Elon, who, who, who rail against censorship. And I'm like, you fucking censor yourself. Yeah, the other truth you write about one thing only you will not write about Trump's racism You will not write about voter suppression You will not write about women losing an admitted
Tom Sawyer: sexual assaulter for God's sakes.
That's the thing that drives me
Carlos Alazraqui: nuts Fucking well Rob Schneider if you have any balls Fucking do comedy on how shitty Trump is. Don't be afraid to lose your fucking grift. [01:05:00] Go for it, dude.
Tom Sawyer: Yeah, but they do, they are, that, that's what they, they're, that they're paying a mortgage. That, that's these, that's where, as soon as you get locked into that, you're screwed, your opinion.
So that's why, when you've got something, when you're working hard to make this show, uh, Not have an audience
Host Brian Copeland: because we don't want to advertise there. What we want, we get advertisers. Then we're, we're slaves of the advertisers.
Natasha Muse: It is wild. How there's just that attitude of like, well, Republicans will be Republicans.
What can you do? And then meanwhile, on our side, we're like, we need to hold you to the highest standard we can possibly imagine. And anytime you fall short of that, we're going to cry and shout about it.
Tom Sawyer: Which is why we lost Roe v. Wade, Roe v. Wade, because, because we shouldn't have, we, Hillary should have won, Gore should have won.
Host Brian Copeland: Correct. Thank you, Ralph Nader. Even more so than that, I mean, the seat that was stolen from Obama, that's where it starts.
Too soon for [01:06:00] it takes me 294 days to walk from my room to the kitchen to get my lettuce.
Host Brian Copeland: We are out of time with that. We are after, after, after this show, I don't know whether we should be plugging stuff or not, but I'll give you the opportunity. In case somebody wants to come out and see in person, where, where can they do that? Yeah. Nobody's saying anything.
Natasha Muse: I have a website, natashamuse. com and I put up stuff on there, some writing and whatnot.
And, uh, I'm performing, what am I performing? Uh, I'll be performing out in, uh, Gil, uh, Gilman's Brewery out in the beginning of October. Hey, where, where?
Host Brian Copeland: We're all, all around the place. So was where exactly is that? What's that in terms of viewership and listeners? We're all over the place. So it's not just Bay Area.
So tell people where that is.
Natasha Muse: Oh, oh, sorry. That's out in, uh, in Berkeley, outside. Oh, in Berkeley. San Francisco. Yeah. Yeah. Gilman Brewery. I'll be there in the 11th of October. That's my next thing. I've [01:07:00] been trying to get my momentum back since. Uh, my second round of being in, uh, seclusion, um, but, uh, I do have some writing on Natasha news.
com and I'm still, I'm on blue sky and threads and Twitter. Cause after the diaspora, I don't know every where everybody went. People are still on Twitter, but they're not really. And it's kind of a cesspool like we talked about. So
Host Brian Copeland: yeah, it's not normally if you're not back and audiences aren't back.
Tom Sawyer: I'm starting a new social media site called Poop Village
Host Brian Copeland: dot com.
Yeah. Or would it be dot org? Come on and be a pooper.
Carlos Alazraqui: I don't want to be a pooper. I'm on Twitter. Okay,
Host Brian Copeland: Carlos, how about you? I'm on Twitter.
Carlos Alazraqui: I'm on Twitter. I'm never going to call it what Elon wants. I'm on Twitter. Uh, I'm on TikTok. Uh, TikTok and Instagram are my happy places. No politics. It's all about what I'm doing.
I'm doing a con in Chattanooga, Tennessee. The Chattanooga, Chattanooga, Tennessee. We should say convention because
Host Brian Copeland: we'd be using con in a different, in Comic Con
Carlos Alazraqui: convention, October 26th and [01:08:00] 27th, and I'm traveling. I will also be there with Riley Alizraki, who is the voice of Rocktalk on Star Trek Prodigy, where you can watch seasons one and two on Netflix.
Oh, that's cool. Rocktalk. And so both of us are doing a convention together, October 26th and 27th. I'll also be at, uh, what is it? SplatCon, October 19 and 20. That's in Los Angeles, near the Los Angeles airport. But you can check that all out. On my Instagram and TikTok. That's my happy place. Twitter is where I go and here's where I go to rant and get political.
Host Brian Copeland: Okay. And Tom, any, any, anything you want to mention?
Tom Sawyer: Uh, you, uh, you can see, uh, the documentary on myself and Cobb's Comedy Club, my former club, uh, called The Comedy Club on 2B. On Plex and on Amazon. Um, so, and uh, also you can go, if you wanna see some amazing pictures of, uh, over the years of Cobbs, uh, and, um, lots of cool stuff, uh, you can go to tom sawyer voices.com and, uh, [01:09:00] stroll down
Host Brian Copeland: memory lane, go down memory lane.
And, uh, I would've mentioned I have got a a, a new slash old show. Uh, that, uh, is, uh, opening, uh, tomorrow, I should say today. This drops on Thursday, uh, at, uh, the Marsh theater in Berkeley. Uh, it's gonna, I'm going to do about, uh, the goal is to do about 12 of these before the election. And, uh, it's something that I did with, uh, Charlie Baron is another, uh, performance, uh, artist, solo performance artist here in the, in the Bay area.
And, uh, back in 2019, uh, we did a show called the great American shit show. And what it was, was, uh, monologues on life in the, in the era of Trump. I did two monologues, he did two monologues. So I thought I was done with this. The only reason we stopped it before was because of the shutdown. And so I thought, okay, you know, now Biden won, he's going to go away.
I'm done with this. And once this campaign started, I actually had people go on, you need to talk about this again, please. You're saying what it is. And I'm thinking, and I'm not able to get it out. So, uh, this time Charlie's [01:10:00] not doing it. I'm doing it alone. And I wrote two new monologues. I updated the other two and, uh, it's going to be a bunch of different places.
It's going to be at the red civic, uh, we're in civic, uh, in Sam Rafael coming up, uh, next month, uh, Alameda, California, next month, San Francisco. Uh, we're going to be at a bunch of other dates. So for ticket information, just go to my website, which is briancopeland. com and there are the ticket information and links to all of the box offices where you can pick up your tickets to see, see this show.
Um, and, and I'm straight up about it. You know, um, I, I put it on, on all of the publicity. If you love Trump, you're going to hate this show. I said that that's our, our, do
Carlos Alazraqui: you love Trump? You'll hate this show. I bought the t shirt. Yeah. Correction. If you love the truth, you'll hate this show.
Host Brian Copeland: So, yeah, but it's all the things.
So I told you, I was already talking about me too. It's how, uh, you know, I talk about losing friends. I've been all the stuff, you know, so there, there are four different [01:11:00] pieces, four different pieces. And I hope that we end on a, I'm trying to end on a, on an optimistic note.
Carlos Alazraqui: You'll hate the show. Sorry.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah.
Yeah. By and large. Uh, so, uh, Natalia Muse, Carlos Alzaraki, always a pleasure. Thank you both very much for being on. Tom, you're going to see all the time. Tom's going to be on all the time. And again, filling in for me when I am on vacation or sick or whatever, not able, not able to do the show. So, Tom, officially welcome.
Next week,
Tom Sawyer: we'll have Nagayo Beelum, uh, Tony Kameen, and, uh, who am I forgetting? Who are you forgetting? I am forgetting. I'm forgetting somebody that you have. Oh, Dan St. Paul. Dan St. Paul. Dan St. Paul. Dan St. Paul. So I won't be here next week. So it'll be those three, uh, dudes.
Host Brian Copeland: So great show. Great show next week.
Thank you guys. It's nice to be back in the saddle. So we'll, we'll check you out next week until then. Be kind to your neighbor. He knows where you live.[01:12:00]
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