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EP180 - Copeland's Corner (Alazraqui, Sawyer & Riggins)
Host Brian Copeland: [00:00:00] Well, again, this is Brian Copeland talking welcome to another edition of Copeland's Corner. If you are a regular viewer or a listener, welcome back. If this is your first time, welcome to Copeland's Corner. That you hear something or see something here that you find worthwhile and that you tell your friends.
I'll be joined a little bit later on by a distinguished panel of comics. And we'll talk about some of the news of the week. You know, sometimes we're funny. Sometimes it's heavy. It just kind of depends on how the conversation goes. We just, you know, we just talk for about an hour. Uh, before I do that, I'm, I'm just going to do a cheap plug.
I'm just throwing in a cheap plug. Uh, I, I sold my first novel. I wrote a crime novel during the, uh, during the shutdown and, uh, and it's old. And it will be released internationally on Tuesday, the 23rd. So next Tuesday, it'll be [00:01:00] released throughout the U S uh, it's going to be released in the UK. Uh, it's in Germany.
Uh, it's in Japan. It's in Korea. It's all over the place. So I'm like, wow, really? Okay. So, so I, I had a lot of fun writing it. Uh, it is going to be published. It's part of a crime series. It is called outraged. And here's a copy of the book. I got my author copy set to me over the weekend. There you go. It's called outraged.
And, uh, what it's about is, uh, a, my, my protagonist is a San Francisco based investigative TV reporter, African American, and it's he and his sister who are his sister is an SFPD homicide detective, and they are investigating the killings of police officers. Who shot unarmed black people, but we're not punished for it.
And they're trying to find out who did it and why. So, you know, it's got all the thriller elements and all the mystery elements, but it's got a lot of social commentary in it as well. So I hope that you will pick it up and I hope that you will, [00:02:00] uh, we'll give it a read. And one of the things that I'm doing with this book, uh, same thing I did with my first book, which was a nonfiction book, uh, based on my first play, not a genuine black man.
Uh, and that is that any book club that That reads the book. I will be a part of your book discussion. If you want, uh, if, uh, it works. So you're somewhere within driving distance, I'll come to your house. Or, uh, if you're out of the area, then we'll, we'll do it over zoom. So, uh, pick it up. It's available everywhere.
I mean, it's going to be a target Walmart, as well as every bookstore, uh, around Barnes and Noble's got it. Amazon's got it. So, uh, I hope that you will pick it up. All right. And with that, it's time to get on with the show.
This podcast that we call Headliners on the Headlines. Joining us this week, uh, three of my favorites are back. Uh, [00:03:00] Tom Sawyer, the former owner of Cobbs Comedy Club and voice actor extraordinaire. Other voice actor extraordinaire. And a guy came up with and stand up. Carlos Alvarez Rocky joins us from Southern California.
Also, are you, are you in LA, Chris? Are you in LA? Okay. And Chris Riggins, uh, who is, uh, the, uh, former winner of the San Francisco international comedy competition. Welcome guys. I wasn't going to start with this, but I am going to now, because this, the conversation we're having off the air, we were talking about, um, uh, about sports franchises and the fact that you, you're wearing your, your A's hat and the, the, uh, I live, uh, not far from where the A's play and, you know, grew up.
You know, going to A's games. And in fact, Tom, you were, I remember when you were a season ticket holder on Wednesday afternoons and you would take comics with you, uh, to, to go on Wednesday afternoons or sit in the sunshine and watch a game and they're, they're, you know, they'd screwed us over and they're going to, you know, they're going to Vegas.
And, and then the two years before they go to Vegas, you're going to go to Sacramento [00:04:00] and play in a minor league stadium and all this. So since we were talking just about franchises and things, uh, in sports, I want to start with this. Um, OJ died. At the age of 76 last week and, um, I got, uh, in, in a little bit of trouble on, on Facebook, people that jumped all over me and you were part of this conversation.
You know, I was going to bring this up because I had the temerity. To, to all I said was, uh, I, somebody had, had sent me a, a a montage of clips of TV shows that OJ was in before the murders, you know, when he was oj you know, like in a dragnet and in, in, in medical center and all these seventies kind of shows naked a gun.
Um, actually naked gun wasn't in that, that wasn't in there in the, no, before that naked gun
Chris Riggins: came out three months before the trial. Right.
Host Brian Copeland: I think so before the, yeah, the third one did, I think. Yeah. And, and it's funny, just a complete aside. Um, they, they say that that's a [00:05:00] movie that like Adam Sandler films that 12 year olds and 13 year olds should be, you know, should know every line too, but you can't watch it because every time you see OJ, it takes you out of it.
And, and I said, that can't be true. And I watched it. It is true. Every time you see it, it's just kind of like, but anyway, so I talked about how, you know, weird it is, you know, you forget. How huge he was. If you're of a certain age, I mean, OJ was, had his poster, OJ was, did you the, you had the poster. Had his
Tom Sawyer: poster, yeah.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah. He, he was, he was, was LeBron before LeBron, you know, he, he was Michael Jordan. Before Michael Jordan. Everybody knew who OJ was. He was beloved by everybody. And then this thing, you know, happens. And so people, you know, said that I was defending the murders and all of this kind of stuff. And something came up that was really interesting.
And I think Chris, I think you posted it. And that is that there is, it seems like since the very beginning that there has been been this, and again, I have to be so careful. I would say this because I am not. Saying that [00:06:00] I'm condoning and supporting in any way, shape, or form the butchering of these two people.
I'm not saying that at all, but there seems to be a visceral hatred of that man by white people, more so than by people of color and somebody posted. And I think it's, well, I'll ask you if you think this is a good point that if it had been instead of pretty blonde, Nicole Simpson, who had been murdered, if it had been OJ's first wife, Who was, it was black.
Would there have been a trial of the century or would he, would it, would he have gone home on probation? Would there have been, you know, camp OJ with a hundred, you know, different media outlets parked out in front of the Los Angeles County courthouse would have been candle completely differently. And, and I had never thought about that because I was working in morning television at the time.
And we covered it gavel to gavel for a year. We had analysts there. We watched a, you know, every single action in the court. Probably
Carlos Alazraqui: not. I'm going to answer no, because obviously a white [00:07:00] woman is more, uh, is more devastating to the white population, but let's do a hypothetical too. If she were as publicly famous, for example, if Will Smith were to happen to murder Jada Pinkett Smith, it would be a big deal because Jada is famous and it has nothing to do with her skin color.
Nicole was only famous because she was a white beauty. So if his first wife was famous. And black, I think that even has to do on it. I think I really do. I think the famous part of
Chris Riggins: it, Jada Pinkett Smith got murdered by Will Smith. They would still be blaming Jada Pinkett Smith for her own murder because she is a black woman.
Um, black women are not seen as white. Black women don't get the victimization like white women do. So even if she was famous, there wouldn't have been the trial of the century. It would have been covered no doubt, but we wouldn't have been out there gavel to gavel. There wouldn't have been the big reaction.
It wouldn't because Let's just put it like this. The reason why they could not convict him is because Marsha Clark went in there and said, black man, white woman, [00:08:00] you got to convict. That's what she thought was going to convict him. And it didn't. And that's where we have the thing, because no, if he had murdered Marguerite.
We wouldn't even, it would have been in the bottom of the newspaper. Well, half of that equation is his favorite
Carlos Alazraqui: trial of the century. Maybe not, but a big trial because of his part of the equation. It would have been, it would have been, yeah,
Chris Riggins: because he was famous. They would have covered it, but it was being,
Tom Sawyer: plus it was being broadcast.
That's what's watching Trump right now at the trial, because there's nothing to watch, but this was, this was, this was on TV. This is, uh, think of the last big trial that was on TV, this was a daytime television. You know, and then, then there was the coffee table factor where, you know, where people are talking about it.
So it's like that movie that, you know, everybody, some people don't want to see, but end up seeing because everybody's talking about it. So you don't want to be out of the conversation. So it builds [00:09:00] momentum. And also you have also, uh, you, that before that you had the, the whole thing with him, you know, Being on the freeway and the every news station carrying the cops following him and nobody really pulling him over just waiting for him to run out of gas or something.
So, I mean, to me, it's like, this thing was this thing series of Beverly Hill that set in motion to be what it was. So, yeah, I do think you're right. Part of the factor is, you know, black guy, white woman, but I also think the fact that he's a celebrity.
Chris Riggins: Well, yeah, thanks celebrity. Here's the thing. His fame would have been involved in it no matter what, but we're talking about the degree of which the white community would have cared about it because I can tell you right now.
Yes. White people might have been like, oh, OJ is a murderer, but it wouldn't have been to this extent where they are literally celebrating his death. Now, it wouldn't have been to the point of what we saw. It would have been a footnote in this famous black guy's [00:10:00] life that he killed his black wife. We move on black people kill black people that
Tom Sawyer: honestly I, I live in mill valley, which is white people central and, uh, nobody's mentioned OJ passing away
Chris Riggins: because you live in a white community of white people.
They don't have to, but I'm just saying we don't nobody cares. People is when black people express like Brian did. This mindset of we remember to, we remember that we remember a different OJ, you know what I mean? And the thing about it is with the black community, we weren't celebrating OJ. Because he stated he really wasn't black.
He's like, I'm not black. I'm OJ. So we weren't like, yeah, we're really behind OJ. What you have to keep in mind is when that trial happened, we just had Rodney King, just had Latasha Harlins, who was killed by a Korean shop owner. And then her murder was basically put on probation. You know what I mean? So that's right.
It was not, it was not even about OJ. It could have been any black [00:11:00] celebrity in that position. We would have been like, we got one and it wasn't about we were celebrating their murders. It was just that finally we, we got to show the white community. What the system does for rich people, we got to know that this is what y'all have done to us for years, and this is finally happening, and because she was a white woman, it's the only reason the white community cares.
Two things,
Carlos Alazraqui: I brought up a hypothetical, that hypothetical this morning on Stephanie Miller. Without the Rodney King preceding the trial, and that being filmed, do you think OJ would have been acquitted? And number two, what was the black community's opinion of Darden? Was he a quote unquote?
Host Brian Copeland: Well, let me, let me, let me jump in here for those two points.
Do you think without Rodney
Carlos Alazraqui: King and without the other murder that you mentioned, do you think that payback would have been there?
Host Brian Copeland: I think that to some degree, because here's what, here's what the deal is. What happened to Rodney King had been happening, happening to African Americans in Los Angeles for decades.
That's what [00:12:00] he had to watch. Right. And what the thing that made it worse was, is that, and when you're a person of color and you deal with things in society, as far as law enforcement are concerned, the first thing, or any kind of overt racism, being in housing or whatever, the first thing you hear from people is, uh, you're exaggerating.
It didn't happen. Or it didn't happen because of the color of your skin. Then with Rodney King, we saw it. There it is. It's on tape is right in front of your face. You can see exactly what's done and they still let him go. So, so that's why everybody exploded. But in terms of the undercurrent of it, you know, this had been going on for, for decades.
Yeah. For decades, this had been going on. It's just that this was the first time that they'd seen it, but it was jury nullification. There's no, Question about it. I have no doubt in my mind. I would
Tom Sawyer: actually say centuries. Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Riggins: It
Tom Sawyer: never stopped.
Chris Riggins: We can even testify for ourselves. You can literally just point like Emmett [00:13:00] Till.
Emmett Till just murdered and then people let them go. So for us, it wasn't even about that Rodney King. It could have been, it would have been anybody. And truthfully the Rodney King just happened to have happened before that, but already like it was
Carlos Alazraqui: filmed.
Chris Riggins: Yeah. So
Carlos Alazraqui: much bread.
Chris Riggins: We're all pretty kind of on schedule.
So I feel like also to your, to your thing about when he'd been acquitted, uh, if you look at the case that they presented, yes, he would have been acquitted because they did the dumbest thing they could do. The police were already on trial for everything in that moment. Police were under the microscope and they went and found the worst.
It's like literally you could have went and got a beat cop that worked in Brickwood in the morning. That would have been a better witness. They're going to get the cop that's been A, recorded saying racist things. B, openly been racist. And then C, you couldn't even put him on the stand because he perjured himself.
So you basically shot your whole [00:14:00] case in the foot by thinking that police trust white cops more than black cops. Suspect. Let's get, let's get Carlos
Carlos Alazraqui: since he has to jump in. Yeah, to overwhelm the evidence. Just quick about racism that you, uh, experience that we don't see. I room with Sean Corvallis, my dear friend, uncle Sean, uncle to our kids, you know, and I, he would live with me in Los Angeles.
He would walk home and he'd go like, I got pulled over today. Like I'd go, why? And he just gave me that face. Like, I was like, Oh, Sacramento punchline in Roseville, uh, out near Roseville. Remember the citrus Heights. I'm working with Johnny Ray. Remember Johnny Ray? Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, Oh, bloody phone go off. So we're at the comedy condo three o'clock in the morning.
I'm sleeping and Johnny Ray taps me on the shoulder. I look up, I go, what's going on? Two cops are standing right behind him. He goes, tell these guys that you know me. And I went, yeah, he's a comic. And I'm like, Oh, all he was doing was standing on the balcony. In the middle of the night. He had this look on his face like [00:15:00] this has happened probably a hundred times.
He wasn't panicking. He's like healthy. He said that just tell these guys, you know me. I go, yeah, he's my friend. He's a comic. We just needed to make sure it was like an episode of Sanford
Host Brian Copeland: and son. It was so bad. It's, you know, it, it, that happened to me up until the point I was on TV every day. But once I was on TV every day, everybody knew me and it was different.
But I mean, I got stopped running with my dog. Yeah, I literally got stopped jogging with my job because in the police had a report of a black man running And that was suspicious. I got a leash. I got a walk man on for God's sakes. Those are all
Chris Riggins: the signs of criminal damage. Files.
Host Brian Copeland: And I will tell you that whole thing.
The thing that really upset me that sticks out to me, first of all, I, you know, that, that. That split screen that they showed and they'll show it. Now there's that they're showing a documentary, by the way, on Netflix again, uh, [00:16:00] from five years ago called OJ made in America. Oh, you've got it right behind you.
I started watching it again last night. I saw it when it came out. It's brilliant. So you can see it. It's all the stuff because we didn't know about his life in Florida, man, about before, uh, before he went to jail for the nine years, but, uh, uh, Oh, I'm sorry. Just completely lost. Lost my train of thought.
The reaction. I was with James Stevens, the third, doing the Stephanie Miller show. The reaction. I was with
Carlos Alazraqui: James Stevens, the third at that announcement, but go ahead.
Host Brian Copeland: Okay. Well, so that split screen they show when it's not guilty and the split screen, white people, black people, and the black people are cheering.
I mean, cheering and the white people are just, you know, just stunned. I thought it was in bad taste for the black people to cheer. I thought that I personally thought that that was in bad, that that was in bad taste, but the thing that really pissed me off was they, they interviewed some of the white people in this white woman says, well, you know what, we'll just take away their social programs because that's how we riot.[00:17:00]
Yeah, that was everybody.
Chris Riggins: That's, that's why I did not, that's why, here's the thing, it's like the way life works, there's a spectrum of things, and you have to understand that celebration wasn't for the murder of those souls, that celebration. No, I understand. Celebrate. That was just like, like, like you ever just had a release, like you ever just had you just, and it just like, ah.
Thank you. Like there was black, older black people crying because they had seen their family members killed by police and KKK and all this, and they couldn't even go to court and say, Hey, that guy did it because there was laws against black people, even testifying against white folks. So I think, you know, I felt like, cause I was like 17, I think it was 16.
Like, literally I was in high school, the whole high school stopped. I put. Yeah. TV room. So we, and for me to see the white, the mean white girl, that, that made black jokes about me crying because this man, she didn't even know got off. Oh, it made it sweeter. Yeah. It was like, oh, lifting [00:18:00] white tears. Like, it was a moment of like, just finally, you guys can see what we've been dealing with for centuries and for them to even not even still have the awareness to say, oh, this is, this is bigger than oj.
Carlos Alazraqui: Yeah, I remember, I remember Darden just bowing his head, just like,
Host Brian Copeland: yeah, I had a chance to interview Darden when, uh, when the, the FX. Uh, show came out cause his, uh, uh, I know his daughter, his, he's got a daughter in, uh, he's from up. He's from the Bay area. He's from Richmond. And he had a daughter that lives in Oakland who still does.
Uh, and, uh, and she had interviewed me for a school paper or something. And, uh, I reached out to her and said, you know, when he talked to me and she, and she got, uh, she and her stepmother, her stepmother was a woman I worked with when I worked at channel two, who, uh, Marcia, who ended up marrying him. And, uh, and I guess they, they talked him into doing it.
So he did an hour with me on, on radio and he'd never really talked like that in depth before, because I wanted to ask him if stuff, [00:19:00] certain things were true. And like, one of the things that he, he, that they, they, if anybody's going to point a finger to blame who lost that trial, they blame him. For having OJ try on the gloves because the gloves didn't fit because the fact that with blood, they shrank and everything else.
And it wasn't his idea, you know, they made it look like it was his idea and that he came up and walked in and, Hey, I know what we'll do. And that had been decided like, like in advance, that was the one thing I wanted to know. The second thing I wanted to know that they showed in the doc, in the, uh, The, the docudrama was, um, when they were trying to keep Furman's testimony out, and they wanted to keep, uh, the recordings of him saying the N word out.
And he gives, and Darden gives this impassioned plea about saying the N word and what it means to a black man and the black people. And it's just inflammatory. And I mean, it's like a 15 minute, just this impassioned, you know, uh, eloquent speech. And then he walks by, he, he, he, The thing says, thank you, your honor.
[00:20:00] And, and, and walks past Johnny Cochran and Johnny Cochran goes, nigger, please.
I said, is that true? Did Cochran say that to you? He goes, yep, because I
Chris Riggins: would have said the same thing. I would say the same. Cause here's the thing. Christopher Darwin was. When I was in a terrible position because he was their black guy. The black friend thing where they used him for they, they scapegoated him for all the things that didn't work.
And if they had won, they would have bolted up. See, we used our black guy. He helped win against this black guy. Um, so it was one of those things where it was like, He was put in a position to lose no matter what, because if they won black community was going to turn on him. Hey, bro, you, you sold us out.
But if they, if they lost the white people on the team to say, see, you're the one that wanted that glove. We should have just went where we went. So he was in a terrible, it was a bad spot. And he had to [00:21:00] go up there and defend that guy. And I know that probably hurt everything in his soul. Defending Furman, you mean?
I gotta, I gotta be able to stop this dude that hates me, that would pull me over just like they did Rodney King, not knowing that I'm a DA. So it's like, I feel bad for dude, but at the end of the day, you know, He should have also had the self awareness to say, you know what? Y'all not about to use me. Yeah.
No, I'm going to sit over here in the corner. Like every day for them, you say that
Host Brian Copeland: you got it, but here's the issue. When you work for the DA's office, you got to go wherever, wherever the DA assigned you to go, but you know what he's doing now? He's a criminal defense lawyer.
Tom Sawyer: Good. Oh, that's great.
Host Brian Copeland: He's a, he's a criminal defense lawyer.
Um, the other thing I'll leave it with is that I just, you know, cause they did do a lot. There was a lot of, of lawyering and a lot of trickery on both sides for perceptions. And the thing that just cracked me up and has me shaking my head still to this day, cause I didn't know about at the time is that the jury took a field trip to OJ's mansion.
And the, the [00:22:00] defense went over to OJ's mansion to kind of look it over first. And then he had a stairwell, um, like a spiral staircase that went up upstairs and all on the walls are him with all of his rich white friends. On golf courses and on yachts and all this and they went, no, no. And, and, and Conrad had him Yep.
Black
Chris Riggins: people, people who were his relatives. Do you remember the black tour he went on after he got off? Do you remember? Thank you. Black people tour. Thank you. Costco chicken and waffle house. Hey, OJ. And it looks so unnatural. I was like, Oh yeah. Uh, but at the same time he had no real black friends because if I was a friend, I'd be like, listen here, Orenthal, these white people don't like you stay about they face, stay about they face plan.
Take what little money you have. Still go to Belize, get [00:23:00] out of here. Go somewhere where everybody looks like you because here. You're they're going to get you and they did because that, that, that, that, that, that's prison sentence. That was payback. That was, we're going to get you 1 way or another way.
Host Brian Copeland: Another. All right. Let me, let me ask you this because he thought that life was just going to go back to the way that it was since, since he was acquitted and he didn't realize he was going to be a pariah for the rest of his life. And, and sort of on that, on that same theme, um, Bill Maher. Yeah. Uh, he's got this, uh, this podcast called, um, uh, club random and he had no markets drunk.
Oh, either. Yeah. He's your buddy. He shows
Tom Sawyer: you, he has a problem.
Host Brian Copeland: Well, yeah, he had Katie curriculum and somehow they got around to the topic of, of Woody Allen. And he flat out came out and said, I think that Woody Allen is absolutely innocent that, um, you know, that [00:24:00] he's been railroaded that while reading exactly what he said, he said that the crime he's accused of committing is impossible and that actors.
Who are now saying that they regret working with him are a bunch of pussies. You know, he said, if you look at what this case is, he was cleared into police investigations. They exonerated him. And on the other side, you've got a person who, who has a, a, a. Going through a divorce and has a vindictive reason for going after because you mean to tell me a 57 year old man who's in the middle of a custody fight is going to molest the subject of that custody fight in broad daylight in a house with other adults.
Yes. So, um, but it's not popular to say you say that you would, you know, there's certain things you accused of the stink. You can never get off of you. Kill those
Chris Riggins: people. Remember it's, it's, it's just, it's like, you can't have both ways. If [00:25:00] OJ did it, then Woody did it. That's how I see it. You know what I mean?
That that's just
Carlos Alazraqui: obviously weird that he ends up marrying her. If nothing nefarious was going on, that's what that's, it's just kind of a hard leap to make, like, You know, I was reading a bedtime stories, we were playing.
Host Brian Copeland: It's
Chris Riggins: like, I've seen my daughter's friends that I've seen known since they were babies. Like they were, they're all grown now. Yeah. And I see them. And when I look at them, I still see babies. So yeah,
Host Brian Copeland: yeah,
Chris Riggins: yeah. Adopt a child, raise that child, and as soon as it turn 18, like, you know what? Look, it's C over there, with the way I raised you.
I raised you into a C young lady. Oh, so yeah, I think, you know, he's, whatever, like, I guess technically he didn't do anything illegal. But moral illegality should be a thing. It's different. Yeah, well, he's always had his thing free. He ran into,
Tom Sawyer: I think he ran into a lot of trouble with that because no matter what, it's, you know, even though she was of age by the time they started seeing each other, um, it's just, [00:26:00] it's not cool.
You know, there's nothing cool about it. And, and, uh, there's no way of going, well, you know, it was, it was a different thing. And, but, you know, you can't do it. It's not going to happen. It looks bad. And then you've got Mia Farrow, who, you know, to me is like, you know, that we all have that one crazy, you know, um, the one crazy person that we get involved with in our life, you know, Sam Kedison had a great bit about, you know, Uh, Samson and the wheel with Delilah and everything.
The pussy was good, but it wasn't worth my sight. You know, yeah. Mia Farrow is,
Carlos Alazraqui: is her. Oh!
Host Brian Copeland: But that's
Carlos Alazraqui: sort of an indication that women to her, to him were prizes. Yeah. I can get the hot girl from Rosemary's Baby and then I can get the baby.
Chris Riggins: The funny thing, the thing is, you say they started seeing each other when she was a baby. They were seeing each other before she was a baby. Oh, I know,
Tom Sawyer: but I meant seeing each other [00:27:00] in
Host Brian Copeland: a romantic
Tom Sawyer: way.
Host Brian Copeland: He was in college,
Tom Sawyer: I
Host Brian Copeland: think. Well, let me, all right, let me get your take on this because this is, this is the part of this back because apparently I didn't, I have not seen it.
I'm just reading quotes. I read the press, uh, it got contentious. It was contentious back and forth between Katie Couric and Bill Maher and what she used as evidence as she brought up that, um, Alan versus Pharaoh, a documentary that HBO did a couple of years ago that was completely slanted because that was horrible.
All they did was talk to me at Pharaoh side. And basically anybody who had a horrible story about Woody, you know, so, so what's, uh, what he says, what she says is that the fact that Woody liked to have his girlfriends. Dress up and little anklets and Mary Jane's and baby doll dresses is part of evidence.
So Margo's, do you think he's the only guy who likes that? Really? Do you think he's the first [00:28:00] guy who he's the first guy who wanted his girlfriend to dress up in anklets and baby doll dresses. That's what we grew up on. That's what we find sexy. That doesn't make you a pervert.
Carlos Alazraqui: I think Bill Maher, ever since Joe Rogan gained his popularity, I think Bill Maher's been trying to tap into that alpha man kind of energy, and kind of show that he's part of that pack.
He's always been an asshole. First of all, whoa,
Tom Sawyer: whoa, whoa, Bill Maher's always been an asshole. He's just been our asshole. But now he's smoking cigars, and drinking whiskey, and
Carlos Alazraqui: I'm tough, and I wear
Tom Sawyer: tight shirts on stage, and I'm an alpha male. He also, two things, one is, Bill Maher's always been an asshole, To is after he got, um, busted using the N word on his show, uh, you know, the, there's a segment of his guests that kind of just abandoned him because, you know, and, and he got, um, he sort of got canceled a bit.[00:29:00]
And, um, while his show didn't get canceled, he definitely lost a good segment of his guests, the people, uh, that would show up on his show. And, uh, he really, um, and on top of that, he's gone, um, uh, not full right wing, uh, but he's definitely go turn, go turn to, um, the, uh, sad sack group on the right that are, uh, against wokeness and stuff like that.
Chris Riggins: I would say he's followed the trajectory for most American white men. Yeah. The thing is he, he put on a very good liberal for cave, you know, he put on that liberal, that liberal black face where he was, you thought he was on your side. And a lot of those people that left were like, yeah, we thought Bill Maher was that, that right.
We thought Bill Maher was who Mark Marin is. Yes. There
Host Brian Copeland: you go. Again, I go back
Chris Riggins: to Mark Marin is, and that's the problem. Bill Maher jumped behind that and was like, Hey, and then we got started to see, cause when, when I stopped messing with him when I started how he would [00:30:00] talk about his fetish for black women.
And then these women talked about how he would call them a nigger and all this stuff in bed. And then it's just,
Host Brian Copeland: yeah,
Chris Riggins: yeah.
Host Brian Copeland: This
Chris Riggins: is, this is Bill Maher. This is the plantation. And so he's done the, the, the thing that a lot of white American men have drawn. Like that's why mag is so strong because there is a contingent of that on that side where it's
Carlos Alazraqui: in cell kind of,
Chris Riggins: I voted for Obama, but I didn't get my just do.
Nobody came and kissed my butt. So guess what? I'm going the other way. Yeah, I'm going to go the way I wanted to go, but I was too scared to go. It's like Brian with the thing with OJ, how people just jump down your throat without using the nuance to see it, to read what you said and see that you never said, I applaud these murders.
You're just pointing out that. There's two, everybody has multiple lives and his life before
Host Brian Copeland: him was different. Let me, let me ask you this Tom, cause you, you, I, we, we had mentioned Bill more, I think maybe last time you were on, cause [00:31:00] you said you guys used to be friends. Cause I know you used to book him all the time.
Yeah. Yeah. Um, and, and I mean, so has he fundamentally changed or was the first, so it was the first persona bullshit basically. No,
Tom Sawyer: no, no. See the thing about Bill is Bill's. Always, like I said, Bill's always been an asshole and for here's in inches. This is what Bill Maher did. He was here and then he went here.
Oh, my God. As far as I know, the Bill Maher I know. It's so teeny a move. It's the same thing in a weird way with Rogan. Because I, I, I really, and I really like both of these guys. But with Rogan, Rogan's Achilles heel has always been his masculinity. The guy is like super whatever, you know, maybe it's his height, maybe for whatever reason, he's, he's really insecure about his masculinity.
And it really showed when he took over the man show when, uh, Jimmy Kimmel [00:32:00] and, um, Corella and Corella left the man show, Rogan took it over for like half a season or a season, and it was. Awful, because Rogan has no idea how to make fun of his masculinity. It's his, it's his Achilles heel. So when it was, so when the masculine things started getting, uh, when toxic masculinity and, and wokeness started going up, Joe, Joe pushed back because he doesn't know how to defend that part.
Even though he's, he's very liberal in the social, in the social sense, very liberal guy, but it was brilliant. Yeah, that was absolutely brilliant. So, yeah. So, uh, so it's kind of sad for both guys. Cause I see, I, I know them both, but in, in Mar, I stopped watching his show like a couple of years ago and I watch it religiously every Friday, but about two or three years ago, I stopped watching it because it just became a whining session.
Yep. You know, it's one [00:33:00] this week's wine about, about poor me, you know, in a, in a roundabout way, sometimes in some ways. Me, you know? Yeah. I've been canceled. They're trying to cancel me. No. Why can't I be asshole, asshole. I've
Chris Riggins: always been,
Tom Sawyer: yeah. Why can't I say when I can't, when can't I say tits and pussy and all this shit?
And, and, and talk, uh, down to women and, and, and, uh, celebrate my, the fact that I have no, uh, idea whatsoever how to have a relationship in my life. Yeah. You know, part of the problem is that.
Carlos Alazraqui: Is that people, people mistake success, career success for somebody being an adult, sometimes there are two disparate things just because Rogan is successful and Bill Maher successful.
It doesn't mean psychologically that they're adults and know how to grow correctly. Right. So that, that allows, especially when
Tom Sawyer: you're, you're, you're infused by money and people around you who are attracted to people who have money and they'll say whatever they want. You, they want, think you want to. Here and all the [00:34:00] people that will say, Hey, dude, you really shouldn't be doing that.
Well, all of a sudden they lose your number or you're not around anymore. Cause I would, I would criticize bill right to his face when we'd hang out, you know, he doesn't call you to
Chris Riggins: hang out. He's criticized
Tom Sawyer: one time we were hanging out. His idea of us, like, let's do something special was to go to a fucking strip place.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah.
Tom Sawyer: And, and he bought, he hit my pal, bought me a lap dance. Yeah, we bonded so much and I'm sitting there and this woman's five bucks, man. Come on And and I heard and I'm not I'm not I'm not getting into it and she's going what's the matter baby You know, what could I do to make you happy? I said well What you can do is you can try to figure out how you can erase the part of my brain That knows you don't give a fuck about me.
Yeah Hmm
Carlos Alazraqui: Yeah. I had a friend who importantly want to go to the strip club during the day. And I go, you don't do that. You don't go to a strip club during the day, unless you're desperate or [00:35:00] detective. You
Host Brian Copeland: got
Tom Sawyer: a
Carlos Alazraqui: warrant
Tom Sawyer: in your back pocket.
Chris Riggins: Yeah. I mean, the thing about like the road thing and even the Bill Maher, like I can attest with the road thing, he's insulated now with a crowd of people who look up to that and think that's what, cause like, you know, and I talked about that.
We've, I've talked about this place very, but the comedy mothership in Austin, that is His sanctuary, that is where every in, in, for lack of a better term in cell comedian that I've ever come across has created as Mecca. They are going there. They want to go get on, kill Tony. And the thing about you said, well, Rogan, he is socially bad.
He's very liberal. Like I've hung out with him. He's actually very, not that, that very like asshole type of dude, but He is very, like you said, he can't make fun of his manhood and that's the same thing with Bill Maher. He thinks he can make fun of his manhood, but he can't. Whereas when you go listen to Mark Maron, he can literally say, you know what?
Hey, I'm a fucking pussy. I got, I got
Tom Sawyer: [00:36:00] 100 percent that guy, the guy who can go here are my foibles. Boom. I trust 100%. Bill Maher and Joe Rogan will never tell talk. We really never talk about their personal life and their personal dark side on stage. You know, Mark will markets that open book. Hicks was like that as well.
Yeah, it was like
Host Brian Copeland: that.
Tom Sawyer: You know, all these guys, it was like they were on stage. Naked. This is who I am. Don't like it. There's the exit. I
Host Brian Copeland: can tell you this, you know, having been in standup since I was, since I was 18 years old, out of all the people who I've met, all the people I've known, just about, I mean, there are a handful who I've heard nothing but wonderful stories about what kind and wonderful human beings they are.
And, but most people fall somewhere in the middle where, you know, they're going to be some people who've got good stories about them. And some people have got, you know, have had negative experiences in all my years. I have never heard Bill Mars, a name come up when it was not a bad story. I mean, [00:37:00] ever, I was, I was in a cab one time I was going from universal city to a meeting in Beverly Hills and the cab driver goes, so what do you do?
I go, uh, I'm a comedian. He goes, Oh, I gave a comedian a ride. One time, Bill Maher. What an asshole. This is the cab driver, the cab driver. I mean, so it's like, what do you, what did you do in the cab? The fact that the cab driver is bad mouthing you for years after the ride. What did you say? What did you do that that would leave that kind of a taste in somebody's mouth?
Tom Sawyer: It's funny. Cause there are two different, there are two people around the same time that came up, Kevin Pollack and Bill Maher. And I always thought when I always thought if Kevin Pollack ever became famous, he would be a raving asshole. And he went the opposite way. Yeah, it was just a nice way. Yeah, you got nice Canadian
Carlos Alazraqui: on us.
Yeah.
Tom Sawyer: And Bill Maher was the asshole that everybody knew he was going to be. Cause he was an app. It was such an asshole before he became famous.
Host Brian Copeland: I used to do a lot [00:38:00] of stuff with Kevin. Um, you know, back in the day when I was, you know, first, first starting out and that was producing shows and I'm going to produce a big show with, with, before they were huge was, it was me, Kevin and Dana Carvey and, and, um, and I had not seen Kevin.
Uh, I had not seen Kevin before Kevin blew up in movies. He had done, what was it? Avalon was the first movie. He did the Barry Levinson one and a few good men. And then I saw him at a benefit and gives me a hug. How's it go? And it just was a regular. Guy was a lot of those kinds of guys when they blow up, when they see you again, they have no idea who you are
Carlos Alazraqui: and Tom cat or like that a lot, Bob, Bob cat, and Tom Kenny as well, you know, I've
Chris Riggins: met Bob cat.
I've done shows down here. Here's the thing I've learned about this industry. And it's like something that I've noticed through, you can look through the history of entertainers, the entertainers that always put on the perfect facade, like I'm always nice. I'm always in front of the camera. Yeah. Yeah. 9 times out of 10 [00:39:00] turn out to be the ones that are behind the camera being Bill Marks.
They're the ones that you never hear anything good about. You know, exactly. Whereas the comedian that goes on stage and says the most vulgar outlandish things like Dice Clay, beat the guy. He's the sweetest man you could meet in comedy. Uh, Jessel, Nick, all these guys, they come on stage to come across with this very asshole attitude.
But when you talk to them off stage, they make eye contact. They listen to you. They, they, they make you feel like a human on this earth as well. So
Tom Sawyer: Oliver is like that. John Oliver is just one of the fucking nicest guys in the planet. That's great. And it goes
Chris Riggins: a long way. It goes like, I can, I can attest to you right now, 90 percent of the things that have happened to me in my career since I came to LA and worked at the are because I was nice to people just That's how you're supposed to be.
Not because I want something from them. Not because I knew who they were just because you were human fam. You up in here. I know how hard LA is. I owe you a comedian. I know how hard it could be in a comedian is let's get some lunch. What? You have a [00:40:00] question for me? Of course. I got time for you. It's like literally that little bit of stuff has got me into the Netflix is a joke fest.
So it's, it's like, I don't get the whole mindset of being an asshole when you know, you're going to need people. On the way up and the way down.
Carlos Alazraqui: That's so cool. I thought Dana, Dana Gould had a really poignant tweet about when Rush Limbaugh passed away. The measure of like who he was a man and how honest he was as a person is that when he died, it's like without even a pin drop.
Nothing, nobody cared. Rush Limbaugh's dead. Nobody cared. You kind of feel like the same with Bill Martin and Joe Rogan. Like when they pass away it'll be like, yeah, Robin Williams.
Tom Sawyer: I think, you know, honestly, I think with Joe, 'cause again, I know the guy, I think that I, I think there's another to a corner that Joe can turn.
I think he can, he seems, I think he has a, the, I think he has the ability. I think the ability that's there to, to, to make a change in his life, to grow a bit more because I think [00:41:00] he's a pretty smart guy. You know, Bill's always been built. He's been pretty much the same guy since I've, since I've known him, uh, you know, watching Rogan, you know, have people on like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson and people that are just, I think are despicable, you know, uh, and liars, just and.
Bold face liars. That's the part that bothers me. When you have Matt Walsh on your fucking show for the second time, really? You didn't get it the first
Chris Riggins: time? Rogan comes from the mind. Rogan doesn't have to worry about these people's rhetoric hurting him. You know what I mean? Like whatever their gifts to do doesn't affect him because he looks like them.
So for them, they're just kind of like, oh, we, we respect you, but it's kind of like one of those libertarian things. That's my issue with the libertarian mindset. It's like, I'm in the middle. I have no control. I don't really. Oh, you can be right. You can be right. Well, no one who's promoting of another people is never right.
They're never right. So my that's
Tom Sawyer: the thing I like about the left, though. We gave up communism a long time ago. You know, once once the once [00:42:00] the babes started, stop showing their cards in the 50s. I'm no longer a cop. Yeah, there was no like every movie that you saw about the communist act, it was always some.
Woman that, that, uh, got 'em to sign on on that, uh, piece of paper, you know,
Carlos Alazraqui: wanted to get laid. You know, Oppenheimer. Nowadays it's grab these cylinders. What's supposed you dried
Tom Sawyer: up in the communist business?
Carlos Alazraqui: nowadays, it's, uh, on Hollywood Boulevard. If you grab these cylinders, you can grab these cylinders.
Host Brian Copeland: Goodnight folks. Uh, let me switch gears. Uh, truth, social. How about, how about truth? Truth, social, uh, Donald Trump's media company. Wildly successful.
Chris Riggins: That's what
Host Brian Copeland: it's called. Okay. As of as of as of today. As of today, when we're recording this on Wednesday, it is down 70% from its high, 70%. Shit. I'm fucked, yo, 70%.
And his followers have, they, they've interviewed a bunch of his followers and the thing was CNBC's where I found this article. Uh, and, uh, [00:43:00] his followers have put their life savings into the stock, their kids, college funds into the stock, their retirement accounts into the stock. And in all likelihood, they're going to get wiped out.
But Trump, um, owns 67 percent of the company. They, they issued a bunch more stock and diluted basically the value of the stock. That the people who already, you know, were the initial purchasers had. So this being the case, we have known for 8 years, we've told you for 8 years. This man is a, he's a confidence man.
This is Trump University. This is Trump snakes. This is his casinos. He rips everybody off. Well, bottom line is he's going to walk away. Worst case scenario, worst case scenario. When this completely bottoms out, which it will, he'll still get a billion dollars. Whereas people have lost their retirements.
They're college funds and all of this stuff. So my question being, do you have any sympathy for these people? No,
Carlos Alazraqui: I do because they're marks, you know, the people I have less sympathy for are the [00:44:00] disingenuous ones who know better. Well, I feel sorry for, uh, I do have a little bit of
Chris Riggins: fascism. There's
Carlos Alazraqui: no empathy yet.
Chris Riggins: Go ahead, I'm sorry. They're literally siding with a dude who is openly racist, openly sexist, openly sexually assaulting. Like, it's not even the fact that, that they're like, they're being Marxist. You know, this guy's a bad person. It's like, it's like, it's like those people that want to say, well, you know, I was just doing my job.
And your job is having to be burning Jews in an oven. So you really want me to think that you're the innocent one here? No, you know what this man's about. You know, he's going to use this money to probably hurt people to probably to increase his status and devalue yours. So, yeah, you know, it's a mark when you don't know the person.
If someone from Nigeria calls you and says, I got Send me 1, 500 and I'll send you 20 racks. Yeah, you're a mark. I can understand you, but if you're the lady in the news that
Carlos Alazraqui: Fox, if you're only watching those three and you're on right wing social media, the, your, your [00:45:00] ability to understand the world in reality is skewed.
And so they're pumped in, in that information. So to that extent, I can have a little bit of empathy. The people who know are the guy. Who's the guy from North Carolina, South Carolina. All these pastors, all these people that are just Yeah, the educated people. The Marco Rubios, the, the McConnell's are the people.
I have no sympathy. I, yeah,
Tom Sawyer: I would like, lemme just say one thing about this is that it, these people are Marx when they're born, they're, they're, their pastors are stealing from them. They're, they're. They're buying survival kit meals, and they're there. They can't wait to lose their money. They on a bad idea.
They're literally a bad, any bad idea that knocks on their door. You know, as long as Jesus is wrapped in it, um, you know, as long as somebody is selling him a gun, they'll, they're, they're in, they're in 100%. They're just, you know, They're just marks. And that's why I don't feel sorry for him because [00:46:00] they don't learn.
They're constantly going, banging their finger with a hammer, going, gosh, that hurts and then doing it again. So they don't learn from anything. They don't figure out all these people are just there to suck money out of their back pocket. They just keep doing it over and over and over again. So, you know, it's like feeling sorry for the guy who jumps out of the Keeps jumping out of a fucking plane.
You know, I love parachuting . That's great. But you know, I stopped.
Chris Riggins: They're willing marks that, you know what I mean? It's like, and what you're being a mark for is fascism. You're being, you're not even being a mark for a dude that can, we can even question his morality, like, he's a good guy. We know this guy's not a good guy.
You're doing it because you agree with how he treats people. You're doing it. He's owning the libs. He, he, yeah, he speaks for you. You know what I mean? And it's like, you wanna say the things that he says, instead of saying, thug, you would love to just call us niggers. That's, you know what I mean? So for me as a black man looking at them, I'm like, oh, [00:47:00] well play stupid games.
Win stupid prizes. That's . That's what they said when, when, when we were protesting for our lives. Well, if you guys would just comply, you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. Well, guess what? To me, enjoy your shoe box. Enjoy your box.
Carlos Alazraqui: Blacks for Trump should have ended the day Herman Cain died after going to that freaking.
Yes.
They're using Herman Cain. He died for that guy. That's
Chris Riggins: it. That's the only time I felt bad for him because I was like, you see, you see what caping for them gets you. Yeah. Because here's the thing in my eyes. Herman Cain is a successful black American story. Yeah. His life. He grew up with black. In the racist South.
He went to school. He got his education. He got his business. He married a black woman. He has a black family. So when I see him, I see so many black men that I know in my [00:48:00] community. And I wish he had just understood that all that will not make them accept you.
Host Brian Copeland: No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not, no, and that's not that, that's not what the point is.
What the point is and what happens to these people and the people who, who of color, who code to the right like that is, I came from nothing. I pulled myself up by my bootstraps, so why can't everyone else? Yeah. That's what they, yeah, they're, and that's it. They have no empathy for anybody else's situation, which through line, which the Republican party
Tom Sawyer: is, they don't, they don't have any empathy.
Yeah, the
Chris Riggins: same sentence, but here's the thing. It's like they, they think that having all those things will make them acceptable to white people. And even if the white people say, yeah, look at him, as soon as you mess up, like, let's, let's just go back to the beginning. OJ, white people loved OJ all the way up until he was accused, not convicted, accused of murdering these two people.
He didn't even get convicted and they had [00:49:00] already turned on him when they put that time magazine cover and he was darkened to a point that looked like a
Host Brian Copeland: newsweek that darkened him by the way. A newsweek.
Chris Riggins: So it's
Host Brian Copeland: newsweek.
Chris Riggins: That's the, that's OJ is an example. A Canyon, you know, Herman Cain, he's an example.
Candace Owens. These are people who are no matter how much
Carlos Alazraqui: NAACP. I hate you in NAACP,
Tom Sawyer: but quite frankly, Herman Cain died because I told him, I said, you got to open up a chicken place called Herman Cain chicken, and
Carlos Alazraqui: then he refused to do it. It was a great idea. And then Cain's chicken came along, he was heartbroken and he killed himself.
Okay. I told him.
Chris Riggins: A chicken heartbreak.
Host Brian Copeland: Uh, you, you mentioned, uh, Tom, you mentioned, uh, uh, survivalism, uh, a minute ago, but have you guys seen the story that Costco is now selling gold bars? No. You haven't seen this? You can buy gold bars at Costco and they're, and they can't keep them. They're not filled with chocolate?
[00:50:00] No, I got a golden ticket. They do say Kirkland on the side. Hey, Charlie, they're selling golden
Chris Riggins: bars. Charlie, how much is a gold bar? Like I, whatever,
Host Brian Copeland: whatever the price of, Oh, I forget how many Troy ounces it is, but whatever the price of gold is that day, it fluctuates, but you can buy gold bars and take them and put them in your Costco shopping cart and pay for them.
Uh, Uh, you know, on the way, I'll check out with them and they say that it's mostly, it's mostly millennials and Gen Zers who are buying it because they don't trust American currency right now. They don't trust that they're going to get a fair, I mean, I mean, think about how bad no matter how hard it must be for, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm the last year of the baby boo.
I'm, I'm the tail end of the baby when Tom, you're a boomer, uh, you're, you're older than I am. Carlos barrel. I think a year or two. Yeah. Okay. I'm 64. So you're a boomer. You are a, you, you're a, you're a Gen Xer.
Chris Riggins: I'm 78. I don't know what Yeah, you're a Gen Xer. You're a Gen Xer. I don't generation, I just old people, young pe I don't know.[00:51:00]
Yeah, you're,
Host Brian Copeland: you're a Gen Xer. Okay. Well, the millennials, when you look at what they've had to go through, they went through a once in a lifetime housing crash in, in 2008. They went through a once in a century pandemic. Uh, there have been like all of, of these, you know, once in a lifetime catastrophes that have made it impossible for them to pay their student loans to possibly get a house.
I mean, you know, I, I don't blame him for saying that I'll, I'll load up on gold, you know, next to my 4 chicken and dollar 50 hot dog at Costco.
Chris Riggins: Somewhere else, like 500 Bruce Springsteen tickets. I'm looking to move out of this country. Like it's just the way people just act here. It's like, I've been to other countries with capitalism and it seems like it works everywhere else, but here, like everywhere in Europe that has capitalism, they got free health care.
I'm
Carlos Alazraqui: really tied into those things and programs, uh, actually Norway funds, it's a youth athletic, uh, through sports betting through online gambling. Norway is a [00:52:00] Brian Gumbel, real sports story. Yeah.
Chris Riggins: Right. If your grandkids want to go to college, they don't got to fill out fast foot and big money, they can just go enroll.
You know what I mean? Like, like, like these, this is what babbles me as to why now they're saying like this survivalist, uh, mentality that people in America have. Like, it's all going to hell in a hair. Like, The way they talk about Oakland, you would think that you come outside in Oakland. It's a grand theft auto scene five minutes and it's not
Carlos Alazraqui: in the Lake Merritt.
They haven't been to the near Rockridge and all those places. The
Chris Riggins: hills are nice and quiet. I just feel like Americans just really have a very, um, uh, I want to say movie since centralized idea of the world where everything is either so bad or so good. And there's no, you know, Hey, we're in the middle guys.
We, we actually got it pretty good. I mean, I know that Israel Palestine thing or how my thing is really crazy, but guess what? You're, you're reading about it on a laptop while drinking Colombian coffee and probably smoking [00:53:00] again, doing much room. So you're
Tom Sawyer: Yeah, it goes down to profit. You have all these news companies that are sensationalizing every, every bad, minor bad story and making it happen everywhere in the country.
And, and that's why they recently took a poll, I believe, where, where people were asked how the economy is in your state and the country. And in your state, it's great. Or in your town, it's wonderful. The economy is great, but how is it doing in the rest of the country? Oh, it's great. Down the toilet. So, because that's what they hear on the news all the time.
And they're again, same people that are putting all that money into, into Donald Trump's shit. And they get had every day cause they don't have the wherewithal to go, Hey, that doesn't make sense that, you know, even from a standpoint of like, I'm not even going to go and read anything else. This doesn't make sense.
I think people's. People, people's asshole detectors have been broken for a long, long time. And that's the sad part to me. [00:54:00] We can't figure out who's bullshitting us. No,
Carlos Alazraqui: we can't. But Chris brought up a great point though. If you travel, the people that go, Oh, socialism, you've never been to Australia. You'd never been to England.
You'd never been to Japan. You've never been to New Zealand. You need to, if you're lucky enough to travel and get outside the United States, that word socialism is not so scary.
Chris Riggins: It's not, it's literally, I just feel like people don't understand that in my mind, the perfect government or not perfect, but the closest we get to it is it takes some socialism.
It takes some, some capitalism. It takes some, some, some communism, and it takes all these isms that we, and you put them together and you create this thing where it works all together where we can still have free enterprise, but help. Poor people have a decent place to live. It's just mind blowing how simple it is.
To
Tom Sawyer: me, good government should be like an umpire between labor and management. That's how it
Host Brian Copeland: should be. It
Tom Sawyer: should be the umpire. But right now, if you think [00:55:00] about how, how we have it right now, it's like, if you had a sports team and every sports team Uh, the officials for that game were on the payroll of the home team.
How quickly do you think people would stop giving up on sports? Why do you think people think, you know, politics is, is, is rigged? Well, it's because they have been bringing it for years for the rich. That's what they've been doing. Everything's been going this way and nothing's been going the other way.
Host Brian Copeland: On the topic of politics, and we'll, we'll, we'll end with this, it's the last story I read before we started today that just, I keep reading these stories and it just scares me. Um, and that is that you have a significant, what they're saying now is a significant number of of Gen Zers, Millennials and Gen Zers who voted for Biden.
Uh, or who were they voted for Biden in the last election, or if they weren't old enough to vote for Biden in the last election, they would be [00:56:00] inclined to vote for him now, but they will definitely under no circumstances vote for him now because of Gaza. Yeah. And if you're not voting for him, then you're voting for Trump.
Carlos Alazraqui: Yeah. It's, it's entitlement that comes under entitlement where people expect to get everything they want. And that happens with everybody. You have people in Dearborn, Michigan that won't vote for Biden. You have people, the Jewish people, the Michael Rapaport's of the world. Like I got to think about voting for Biden.
Now you cannot possibly get everything you want. And that's the problem is that these Gen Z ers think they are entitled to get everything they want.
Chris Riggins: I wouldn't even say Gen Z ers. I would say Every human being is in type thinks they're entitled to get what they want because on the, on the older sketch them.
They are relative to what he brought up. Yeah, I think what it really was, it was like, you said, everybody has this entitlement to think that they have to get everything out of this election. It's like. It's never elections are never about getting everything. It's about getting the best of what you can out of what you need.
You know what I [00:57:00] mean? And I think that's why the whole mindset of, you know, you vote, you vote locally, think globally. I think that's people have gotten away from that because me, I am more concerned about the school district supervisor. I am more concerned about the, the, the, in my area than I am about the president, but I understand I got to pick one.
If I really, if I, if I want to have a, and not even, I feel you should be able to have a say regardless, but I've also feel like if I really want to be a part or really have an effect, I have to involve myself. And yes, Biden is not perfect. And I think that's the thing that the, the, the, the right never really understands that we are not over here wearing Biden shirts.
We're not out here. Biden looking like Rambo. We don't love
Tom Sawyer: it. It's a guy doing a job at the meat market. I get my, I get my steak from him and I go on the grill and I, but I don't wear like, I, I love butcher's t shirt when I go to the market. You know, right.
Carlos Alazraqui: Dependent on me on Twitter, [00:58:00] he goes, Oh, you're, I go, cause I called him a cultist cause he's a MAGA guy.
He goes, Oh, you're not a cult blue, no matter who. And I go, that's the opposite blue, no matter who is pragmatism. That literally means that no matter who the person is, right, who has the best chance to beat your evil guy, we will vote for that guy. That's what that means. It doesn't mean we're buying a t shirt.
Like you said, Tom, with a guy's face on it. We'll buy anybody. That has the numbers to beat evil.
Tom Sawyer: Yeah. I just love it. Opposite of being in an occult. God, wouldn't it be great if the Republican party actually believed in science, actually believed in women and actually told the truth and actually weren't just completely in the pocket of the rich.
You actually gave a fuck about the middle class. Wouldn't it be great to actually have a choice where it was. Somebody who was actually conservative, you know, didn't wanna throw money at every problem, just want, wanted to do, take your time and do things thoughtfully. And versus somebody who was like really gung-ho, and maybe a little too gung-ho mm-hmm
But having a real choice. It sucks having to vote for one party [00:59:00] all the time because I'd like, I'd like to have a choice. I would love to have a choice, but I can't choose between the person who's a, a lunatic. Who's going to take away rights? Like the reason why we're in this whole Roe v. Wade situation is because all these, I'm not going to vote for Hillary because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, instead of like, and all the Bernie bros that I know that I'm no longer friends with because, because those assholes went and voted for, for, um, for, For Trump by default.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah, that's what it is. They were angry. I'm angry. Here's the thing you're talking about about the republicans believing about the republicans believing in something for the last probably year we've heard Bill Barr. Okay. Uh, Trump's former attorney general, who whitewashed the Mueller investigation and made it look like it, that there was, it was a nothing burger when there was plenty there.
Uh, running around from talk show to talk show to talk show, bad [01:00:00] mouthing Trump. This man should be nowhere near the White House. He does not have the temperament for it. Look, I worked with him. I know what I'm talking about. And that is second Trump term will be a disaster. Well, today he has said that he will support the Republican ticket.
Same with Sununu. So Sununu, I'm with Stephanopoulos, I'm Sununu. That was just insane. Embarrassing. Embarrassing.
Chris Riggins: Well, here's the thing. As much as I hate where they, their, their, their positions and what they, they're standing for. I respect the toe, the line mentality that, in my opinion, is what messes up the left side, because I enjoy the fact that the left does.
Critically think about how imaging and how things we say and do affect the world. But it gets to a point where you got to stop infighting at a point in terms of the enemy and say, okay, you know what? We'll deal with this later. Let's get the enemy out of the way.
Tom Sawyer: But I never, I never thought of Mitt Romney even, you know, I didn't like George W.
Bush and I [01:01:00] didn't like Bush senior. And definitely didn't like Reagan. I never thought of them as the enemy. I think Trump is the enemy and Trump is against democracy. He's against my country. He's actually anti America as long as, as, as well as being anti Christ. And I'm not, I'm an atheist and, but I was raised Catholic and I thought everything about Catholicism was great, except for.
The Catholics.
Carlos Alazraqui: Yeah. But to Chris, to Chris's point and regarding voting religion.
Chris Riggins: Oh, the world will be different.
Carlos Alazraqui: Yeah. To your point, Chris, about how to vote. And I said this on the Stephanie Miller show. We're not going to get everything you want. If you're a Democrat, you are a worker bee. Your job is to save the hive.
That's what you're doing in 2024. You're not going to get this. You're not going to get that. You're not, you are a worker bee. You're not special show up, vote blue. And then go about your business and hope for the best article. I read
Host Brian Copeland: that they're going to do one of three things. They're either going to stay at home and not vote at all.
They're going to vote for [01:02:00] Jill Stein, you know, who, uh, I just, I mean, didn't run in and, and, uh, or they're going to vote for Kennedy. I was being funded by the Republicans, by the way, to be a spoiler. The Republican
Tom Sawyer: he's right wing. I mean, he's, he's, uh, he's, he's, he's not pro choice. Uh, his stance on abortion is horrible.
Um, you know, it's the same, it's the same thing as it is most of the, of the, the moderate red States. So he's, and he's anti he's, he's pro Russia. Um, yeah, he's anti vax friends that I have more friends. I've lost. from the anti vax thing and then the, the, the people who think that teachers are assigning genders, uh, to kids, you know, I mean, the lunacy out there is just, is, is, is, is breathtaking.
Host Brian Copeland: That's a joke. I got booed a joke. I got booed for, by the way, I had, I had to interview Robert Kennedy Jr. Twice in the same day. I [01:03:00] had him on the radio in the morning. I have a TV in the afternoon and he's one of those guests that you ask him a question and it doesn't matter what the question is. You ask him, he's going to filibuster about what it is he wants to filibuster about.
And he was, he was on some tirade about the Appalachian situation and the, you know, the, it is a bad situation. I don't mean to downplay that, but it was just, you know, it was just repetitive, redundant. And so that night on stage, the joke I made was that, and I, and you, and don't stop. Listening to me because of this joke and, and I said, you know, I spent, I spent most of the day with Robert Kennedy Jr.
And by the time I was done, I was looking for Sirhan Sirhan Jr. . Oh,
where's Rosie Greer Jr. And they booed me. They booed me for that joke. Yes. That was in very poor taste. I, I, but it's funny, it's taste, it's funny, an
Tom Sawyer: impression of him a lot a while ago. And people. People, you know, that's a, that's a, he's got a thing. He's got [01:04:00] a disease that happened that made that. I go, yeah, I'm sorry, but that's what he sounds like.
I'm, I go back. And I said,
Carlos Alazraqui: as soon as he becomes relevant, as soon as he starts stealing enough funds for, for trope from Trump, they'll go directly at that voice. Don't they've already, well, Hannity's
Tom Sawyer: gone from being a, being pro, um, uh, Rfk jr to being anti already something wrong with that voice. Have you heard the voice?
He's probably he's probably got it He's dead cancer. His kids are all over his boat. He's gonna die Horrible voice very horrible You're
Host Brian Copeland: you're uh, uh, two more things. I wanted to stop earlier, but with it you you're i'm having too much fun So just two more things I wanted to get to uh, one is uh, tim allen and rosanne Have teamed up to form a new actors union.
Oh boy. For, for the, for Roseanne. Yeah. Ooh, ooh, Tim Allen and Roseanne, but a new, a new actors union quote for [01:05:00] actors who haven't woken up yet. That that's what they're saying. And it's called the, for the, for the cause of saving America movies.
Chris Riggins: Oh God. Why don't they just call it the KKK movie agency? Like, come on,
Carlos Alazraqui: your leaders are in their sixties and they're going to be gone soon.
What kind of new development is that? Let's just call it senior living union, but here's
Chris Riggins: the thing, they can be that union. They could join the union, but that don't mean the studio is going to hire those actors because nobody's going to see their movies. We're still not putting you in our liberal movies,
Host Brian Copeland: but I got to tell you that, you know, you want to know what movies are the most profitable movies out there?
Believe it or not, Christian movies. They cost like nothing. There's nobody in them. You've ever heard of before. Uh, they're, they're basically lifetime movies with crosses and, and, uh, and they cost 2 million to make and they gross 80 million or a hundred million dollars. That's
Chris Riggins: why Scientology has a movie studio in Hollywood.
Anybody else? [01:06:00] I'm on network. You get those two, the casting alerts where it say, come audition for, for, for Scientology. And they love you. I'll tell you,
Tom Sawyer: I, I, I, I, I, I answered one of those and they, they, they hang up my email now and I get emails. I had to block. I had to block them because it was like,
Chris Riggins: please stop sending me those.
I'm not doing your stuff like they have a Scientology acting class and it's free. As long as you sign up for Scientology.
Carlos Alazraqui: Yeah. My buddy, Jim Meskimen, very nice guy. Voice of Colonel Sanders, openly Scientologist. He always does shows at the acting, the learning center there. And it's weird. He's very nice human being the nicest guy on the planet, but he is, he's smack dab in the middle of that.
Hold on.
Tom Sawyer: And if that doesn't tell you how crazy people are about religion, that's all you need to know right there. We know these guys are con artists. We can trace it back. We know, we know their life. Joseph Smith,
Carlos Alazraqui: go on and on. And that's, here's something I said that the reason we got to [01:07:00] Roe versus Wade being overturned is that because of the voluntary complicity of women to believe in religions that make them second tier.
God is a man. Allah is a man. Jesus is a man. I'm like, I have two daughters. They will never hear that from me. Don't believe in all this man created the world and man is God and man, no. All made up. Fiction. Adam Drib, all of this nonsense. Fiction. That's, that's the problem. If you buy into that, then you're going to accept something else.
You
Host Brian Copeland: know, you were talking, telling me that you were raised Catholic. I'm a practicing Catholic, but I don't believe it literally. I'm sorry.
Tom Sawyer: You're still practicing.
Host Brian Copeland: For God's sakes. Go pro practicing.
Tom Sawyer: Oh, pro.
Carlos Alazraqui: Yeah.
Host Brian Copeland: We're talking about practice. I'm a triple a Catholic practice, Brian. I'm a triple a Catholic, but I mean, I don't believe that, you know, the earth was created seven days.
I believe God is a man storybook. You don't believe God is a man. Do you know, to be quite honest No, I don't. And I don't believe God's [01:08:00] a woman either. God is a raccoon. Uh, let me, let me leave you with this. Uh, last time you were on Carlos, we were talking about that rust situation in the armor. Yeah. Okay.
Uh, in, in the, the, just a quick recap, uh, uh, indie film. Alec Baldwin. It's a Western called rust. Alec Baldwin is, uh, the executive producer. One of the executive producers, they were setting up a, a, uh, a film shot. He had a gun that he says the thought was not loaded. There's not never supposed to be live ammunition on a set.
He aimed the gun. At the Cinema photographer to show, uh, how he was going to do it for the actual filming pull. Well, there's a question as whether he pulled the trigger or whether he cocked it or whether it went off. The bottom line is cinematographer got killed, the director got shot. Alright, so there are two separate indictments.
One was against the armor who was completely, um, inexperienced. Her dad's a [01:09:00] well-known armor in, in Hollywood. Now the armor is the person who's responsible for weapons and guns and things like that on the movie set. And, um, she was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and, uh, she was sentenced yesterday, yesterday, Tuesday to 18 months in prison.
And the reason why she got the, the time was, uh, they say she was careless in that she let somehow let a live round, get on that set that she showed no remorse and they, because they caught her. And that's why I never understand why I watch a lot of dateline. And this is why I never understand is don't you realize if you're talking on a phone in jail and you're calling somebody that that you're being recorded, don't you know, that
Chris Riggins: it says, or you get the phone call.
It literally says, unless this is by law, a lawyer, or
Host Brian Copeland: you are being recorded show remorse. And she, and she showed no remorse. Instead, she bad mouth the jury and bad [01:10:00] mouth the judge. No. So, so I got two questions and I'm going to start with you, Carlos, because you have responsibility, you have, um, experience, I should say, working with armors, working with firearms in front of a camera, um, number one, do you think that the, that the, the conviction, And the sentence were just number two, Alec Baldwin has been indicted.
And I think his trial is coming up next month. Do you think that Alec Baldwin bears any responsibility, any criminal responsibility for this?
Carlos Alazraqui: Yeah. Number one. Yes. I think this is, uh, the sentence was just it's involuntary manslaughter or whatever. She didn't mean to do it, but bad mouthing. Increased the amount of time that she is in jail, but 18 months is just, I think could have been more.
Uh, number two, Alec Baldwin, if you're the producer, you've been in Hollywood, you've been on sets. I think you are partially responsible for not, you don't trust the armor. Everybody looks at that gun. Everybody involved, and especially if you're a producer, you look at [01:11:00] that weapon. You don't just trust somebody's opinion.
You, you say to the armorer, I want you to show me that gun. I want you to show me the chamber. I want you to take the clip out and I want you to fire it first. So yes, I blame Alec Baldwin too. And I think whatever his sentence is, he should get one.
Host Brian Copeland: Right. So now, now working on Reno 911 where you did deal with firearms, that's exactly what you did.
So if you handed a gun and somebody gave, the armor gave you a gun and said, this is a cold weapon, meaning that it's a blank and you never took anybody's word for it.
Carlos Alazraqui: First of all, here you go. This is, before we fire today, I'm going to show you that there's nothing in the chamber right now. Okay, boom. I'm going to put it together.
Now I'm going to put one in the chamber. The weapon is hot. So don't put your finger near the trigger. When you fire it, you're going to fire it up in the air. It is a blank. Even though it's a blank, you'll fire it up in the air. If you point at somebody, point to the side. The camera angle will, will get the angle.
So don't worry about that. You don't have to point directly at somebody. So those two things were always. Over and over and a producer would come by and go. Yep. I like it. I like [01:12:00] how the weapon looks. We're all good. Let's good to go. You need earplugs earplugs. Anybody? We got earplugs. No, we're good to go.
Let's go. So, yeah, there was always a chain of command of checking that weapon always. It wasn't just like here. Here's a gun. Shoot it. No, if I would have been on that set, I would have been like, Oh, whoa, whoa, hold
Host Brian Copeland: on. What are you doing? And that's exactly what it sounds like. That cell was here. It's a gun.
Shoot it.
Carlos Alazraqui: It's cold. It's a cold gun. Just shoot it. I understand that Alec Baldwin is exhausted, maybe tired. He's a producer and he's acting, but you can't let that happen. You just can't.
Chris Riggins: I think it was a small production too. And I think she's inexperienced. Like, you know, I, I feel bad for her as much as I feel bad for the person who was, who was killed.
That's very tragic. Heart goes out to their family. But this girl in a way, I feel like probation, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like this was not one of those malicious things where she needs to be taught a lesson. You know what? I'm not going front. If I'm in jail and I'm, and I'm pissed off about the [01:13:00] situation, I might be like, fuck these people too.
Now this jury, I might go off a little bit too, and I get it. So I'm not even going to be too angry at her for that. Um, I feel unfortunately that Alan Baldwin is not going to get the responsibility on this. He deserves because he fired it. And it's like you said, he should have been like, Hey, Hey, Hey, can you make sure this is a safe, a safe weapon?
Even I know that. And, and, and their, and, and, and the, the story of they were setting up the shot and he was showing them he was gonna do it. It just goes to show that there was a, a lot of negligence on that. And, and it, I feel like, you know, he should be the one doing the 18 months and because he's in charge, she works for him.
He should have been like, you know, Hey, you know, let me make sure this is great. Like, and he's been in the industry for how long,
Host Brian Copeland: 30 years or more, 40 years. How
Chris Riggins: many action moves that we seen him in
Host Brian Copeland: all kinds. And the thing with the armor was again, because it was low budget, you know, this was [01:14:00] her second gig again, her father's very experienced.
But the thing I didn't know until trial was they also had her doing props. So rather than hire a prop master, as well as an armor, they had her do two different jobs and this is only the second job. She's a second armor job. She's a rat. So I think that's a mitigating
Tom Sawyer: factor. Yeah, it's good to hear from Carlos because I, I would before I was like, you know, I, I really felt bad for Alec Baldwin, but I didn't.
You know, that's the thing about being on a jury where you hear somebody who is an expert or, you know, it's, or, you know, this is how it's supposed to be done. And, uh, Alec Baldwin, and then you hear somebody probably going, Alec Baldwin knew that because he was on this production where he handled the gun and was told this, you know, every time he picked up the gun and that's what you're going to hear in a jury.
So, no, I'd probably say if I just heard the information for the first time from Carlos, if I was on a jury, that would. Prejudice me against Alec [01:15:00] Baldwin immediately, you know, where I would have to vote guilty because dude, you know, you've done this before, you know, you know, you shouldn't point a gun at anybody.
Why are you pointing the
Host Brian Copeland: gun? Exactly. He was pointing guns on Knott's landing for God's sake. We don't do that. We don't skid back in the 80s.
Chris Riggins: He's probably got the more expensive lawyer than she does. I'm sure he didn't pay for her legal defense. So I'm feeling like, yeah, he's probably going to get out of this, out of, you know, and I hate to say it, white men run this country.
I just feel like he's going to get out of this
Tom Sawyer: woman is wrong. So I think he, he should definitely have to do some time for this. I do too. I time we
Carlos Alazraqui: pointed guns at people were if there were empty plastic guns. And we, we were shown that the chamber's empty and the clip is empty. We knew nothing was in there.
And, or it was a rubber gun. And that was probably the rare times where we would point a gun or it was an air shot that we would point it at somebody. So there's no actual kind of round coming out. [01:16:00]
Host Brian Copeland: You guys remember the John Eric Hexler story? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The deal, it was, it was a, he was a, an a, a model slash actor who was on the show called Coverup.
Uh, and it was like the sixth episode. It was like a spy thing. And you know how on the film SAT or TV said that there's a lot of hurry up and wait. And so he was born, so he had his gun and he was playing, it was a revolver, and he's playing Russian roulette with it, and it has blanks in it, and he puts it up to his head.
And the blank goes off and he didn't realize that there's paper wadding in a blank and the paper wadding went into his head and cracked his a blue bone in his brain or something. And he was in, he was, you know, in a coma until his family took him off life support. And, um, the positive part of the story, if there is one is that, uh, uh, that his eyes and heart and lungs went and saved a number of different people.
But it's just, I didn't, uh, and I'll be honest with you at [01:17:00] the time, I didn't know there was paper wadding in a blank. I thought a blank was a blank, you know, but, but you always see a big
Tom Sawyer: flash. That's not some, you know, a thing that goes bang out of the gun, little sign. That's actually gunpowder. There is gun powder.
There's just no, there's nothing charge. Yeah. Yeah. But still, if you put a blank to your head, holy fuck, you have to be a complete
Carlos Alazraqui: idiot. Any armor, any producer, anybody that sees you doing that would tell you to stop immediately. And usually what we would fire is quarter rounds, which is a quarter of a bullet.
So it wasn't, the impact wasn't that loud on the ears. But even that, like, no, don't point it at somebody. Don't put it up your head. Even though it's a quarter round blank, there's still some force behind it. There is an explosion that happened. So don't be stupid. There should have been a line of command or a chain of command.
Yeah. There was not in that situation. So we'll see
Host Brian Copeland: how it plays out, but you give it some food for thought. Cause my, you know, I was with Tom beforehand. I would have thought, you know, come on, Alec Baldwin thought he was told, you know, but you're right. He's had 40 [01:18:00] years of experience. He's fired weapons before and that's throwing somebody on television.
Well, they did. They completely threw this girl under the bus. No question.
Chris Riggins: Yeah, because if I was her, I'd be, I'm testified against you just want, you know, that
Tom Sawyer: I don't care whoever put that live ammo in, in, into, uh, that's guilt. You're guilty because that's your gig and they still don't know.
Carlos Alazraqui: They still don't know.
I believe I've heard. That they had taken that gun and fired it on the range. And that should never happen. Something that's fired live on a range should never make it into a set.
Chris Riggins: They took the prop gun outside in the real world, put real bullets in it. This is
Carlos Alazraqui: what I'd heard. I can't certify that's 100 percent true.
That makes sense.
Chris Riggins: Yeah, but that literally that explains why there was a live round in it, as opposed to this, this, this young, inexperienced, uh, armor, or just decided, Oh, I'm gonna see what happens. I put a live round in here
Tom Sawyer: or, uh, here's a box of bullets that are probably fake.
Carlos Alazraqui: Most likely fake [01:19:00] negligence for sure.
You take so much. I'd be normal bullets. I'd be normal. Right.
Host Brian Copeland: All right. What do you guys got to plug Tom? Anything?
Tom Sawyer: Oh, just the usual, uh, go to Tom Sawyer, voices. com to see a lot of great history on Cobbs comedy club, my old stomping ground. And also see, uh, there's a direct link on the documentary page to see the comedy club, uh, documentary, uh, with, uh, data Carvey and Bob Saget and Paula Poundstone and so many other friends.
Host Brian Copeland: Yes, I still got to see it.
Carlos Alazraqui: That's great. Rock, paper, scissors on Nickelodeon and doing some, uh, play scissors on that. That's currently on Nickelodeon. I think there's old episodes of Reno that you can watch. You can follow me on Instagram, Twitter for politics, Instagram for all the fun stuff. And when I'm going to be at cons in August, I'll be in Tennessee.
I'll be in Rhode Island, I think in December. So You can follow me there and find out where I'm going to be live at [01:20:00] conventions and signing.
Host Brian Copeland: I'm sorry, real, real quick. I want to ask you this because you mentioned Nickelodeon and because they are employers, if you do not have to answer this, I don't want to put you on the spot.
Did you see the quiet on the set documentary?
Carlos Alazraqui: I have not. I would, and I would like to see that for sure. I would see. I'm definitely interested.
Host Brian Copeland: I'd like your thoughts after you, after you saw it, what Nickelodeon was like and how they treated kids who worked for them in the eighties and in the nineties.
I'm
Tom Sawyer: sure it was really good.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. It was great.
Tom Sawyer: I will check it out.
Host Brian Copeland: Pedophiles on the payroll.
Tom Sawyer: Yeah. 'cause they always do documentaries on, on things that they treat, where people are treated. Wonderful.
Chris Riggins: Yeah,
Tom Sawyer: well check it out.
Chris Riggins: Um, well, of course in the meantime I'll be here reading Christopher Darden.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah.
Chris Riggins: Uh, actually guys, uh, I'm getting ready for the Netflix is a joke festival. I got three shows in the festival. [01:21:00] Um, uh, the fourth and the ninth at hotel cafe in the seventh, I'll be doing the surrounding crowd work show at the bourbon room in Hollywood. So if you're ready room, yeah, I love the room. So if you're in Hollywood and want to come see the Netflix is a joke festival tickets are on my link tree and my bio on my Instagram, Chris Riggins comedy.
So
Host Brian Copeland: follow you today. Okay. We'll put links to all that stuff, too. All right. All right. Tom Sawyer, Carlos Salas, Rocky, Chris Riggis. Thanks guys. It's always a pleasure to have you. It's always a great discussion. So thanks for joining us. Uh, I got a couple of quick things. I'm going to plug. I mentioned at the top, uh, my, my first novel comes out on Tuesday.
Uh, internationally it is being released and it is called outraged. So, uh, you can pre order it at, at Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Target, Walmart, it's going to be all over the place, but it'll be out on Tuesday. Uh, also, uh, I mentioned earlier, my, my very first one man show was called not a genuine black man, and it became the longest running one [01:22:00] man show in the history of San Francisco theater.
And then I stopped it and I've done five subsequent plays. And I realized that this year is the 20th anniversary. Of the, uh, debut of that show. And so it debuted in April of 2004. So Saturday is the 20th anniversary performance of that show, as well as the 1000th performance of that show. And it's my birthday.
So we're doing all three of them. At the march in San Francisco, I think there are a couple tickets left this close to being sold out. If, uh, if you, uh, uh, try to get in and you can't get in, uh, we'll do two more performances, uh, the 27th and the, uh, and the 4th of May. Uh, and I also wanna mention on Sunday the 28th, uh, we'll be doing a great big book launch for outrage at, uh, at book passage in court of Madera.
California. You're such a slacker, Brian. In Marin County. And Michael Krasny, my pal Michael Krasny, who you may know from his work on NPR. He is going to [01:23:00] interview me for that. So, I hope you'll check some of the stuff out. I hope you will support the guests on this podcast and support this podcast by either subscribing, if you're watching us on YouTube, or if you want to Or by going to whatever platform you're using to listen to us and giving us a five star review and tell your friends So i'll check out next week till then be kind to your neighbor.
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