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Host Brian Copeland: [00:00:00] Hello again, this is Brian Copeland talking, welcome to another edition of Copeland's Corner. If all goes well, I'll be joined by a distinguished panel of comics a little bit later on in the podcast and we'll have some fun with some of the news of the week. Well, some fun, but you know, we've got some serious stuff going on too, so.
This is your first time joining us, uh, here, either, uh, on audio, which is episode 163, or on YouTube. This is our seventh, uh, simulcast, where we are also, uh, broadcasting over YouTube. Welcome. Uh, we just talk about the news. Sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's heavy. Uh, but we just, uh, talk, and it's always informative.
Uh, to start with, before I bring my panel in, um, I read a story this morning. I just found really disturbing. And again, here we go. It's just [00:01:00] another sign of the times. A story out of Texas. A woman, married woman, mother of four, I think. Her youngest was just getting ready to go into kindergarten this year.
Found out that she was pregnant with twins. And early in her pregnancy, the doctor told her that the twins were not developing properly and that... Uh, they, their lungs were not going to fully develop and that they were going to end up having 1 stomach between them as well as 1 kidney between them. And at best, they probably die in the womb.
But at best, they would live only a couple of minutes after they were born. If in fact, they were. You know, able to survive the pregnancy. So, uh, the mother wanted to get an abortion and this being the state of Texas, the only exception that will allow a woman to get an abortion if the fetus has a heartbeat is if the life of the mother is in danger, [00:02:00] well, according to the doctors, her life was not in danger.
It was just, she was going to have these babies born dead. So the closest state she could go to in order to get an abortion would have been New Mexico. And because of the fact that New Mexico is a 12 hour drive from where it is that she lives in, uh, she and her husband live in Texas, it was just impossible.
You know, uh, there's no way that her husband was able to get off work. For them to take a 12 hour drive and go and get a procedure and turn around and come back, we're talking about a couple of days. They couldn't afford the gas. They couldn't afford the hotel. And on top of that, they couldn't afford the procedure.
So, uh, for several months, this woman was forced by the state of Texas to carry these fetuses. That she knew would, uh, end up being either dead in her womb, or born dead, or have only a couple of minutes of life left, if in fact they did survive, uh, the pregnancy. Uh, on August [00:03:00] 9th, she went into labor, and she gave birth to these two babies.
They were joined at
the We're alive, or I should say we were breathing for something like 3 or 4 minutes and, uh, that there was still like a faint heartbeat. So, in the state of Texas, you know, again, in the progressive state of Texas, uh, you cannot be declared dead as long as there's heartbeat. So she held these, as far as I'm concerned, if they're not breathing dead babies in her arms for 4 hours until the heart stopped beating finally.
And, uh, then they were declared dead. Um, this is just horrific. And as far as I'm concerned, it's barbaric, you know, to make a woman for several months. I mean, they know psychologically what this must have done to this poor woman, you know, knowing for all these months that she is carrying babies that one way or [00:04:00] another, she will never get a chance to raise, will never get a chance to really see, to know, to do all of the things that you do when you have a baby, when you have a child, to say that as a father, say that as a grandfather.
No. It's just barbaric for the state to make her. That's pretty much what the state of Texas did. They made her carry these dead babies, uh, to carry these dead fetuses, uh, for, for several months. And this is something she's never going to get over. It's something she will never get over. And she's not the only one.
So, you know, when election time comes next November, um, you need to vote for people. Who for people in Congress, especially primarily in Congress, who are going to support and vote for a national right to choice law. That's what we need a federal law that says that a woman has a right along with her own doctor to decide whether or not she's going to continue pregnancy because this is just, you know, to say it's unacceptable is is [00:05:00] the understatement of the century.
Uh, as I said, it's barbaric and the state of Texas has no business in this woman's womb. My opinion, what's yours?
This is part of the podcast that we call Headliners on the Headlines, uh, joining me via Zoom. We have, uh, actually two regulars and one who was on a couple of times, so you, you heard from him. Uh, Don Reed is back, Justin Lockwood is back, and my old pal Maureen Langan. It is good to see you, Maureen.
Guest Maureen Langan: Thank you, Brian. Episode 1 I finally made it ,
Host Brian Copeland: you finally made it. No, I'm kidding. I'm not. And I said, okay. I guess we're ready for it. Alright. Alright. I think we're good enough now, guys, before we get into this, you know, we got some of the news that we'll go through. Um, nothing spectacular really this week. [00:06:00] I, I, I wanted talk to Maureen.
Just did, um, America's Got Talent. Mm. I. I saw your first set where you just absolutely killed and destroyed and even Simon loved you, which was really. Yeah, I didn't see your second set. I saw your first set where you just obliterated. So what if you can give us a little bit about a little behind the scenes?
What's the audition process like? First of all, to get on. Well, you know,
Guest Maureen Langan: this is what's so fascinating is that they called me and I thought it was like a scam call. And then the guy turned out to be a legit casting agent. And I said, yeah, I don't think I'm right for it. And then he's like, no, we like that.
He goes, no, we think you are. And I'm like, well, how do you know? And then he actually plucked bits. He did know my work and then you go there and you're there for a week and you're going. Through this whole process, you don't know what day you're going to be, um, it's just, then you finally go up and you audition and, you know, there could be a guy setting his mom in flames.
You know, that's true. Uh, you could be following that. You could be following, you know, people like there was a big troop from [00:07:00] India that would chuck, like, half their village across state lines and grab them on the way back. It was like this gymnastic. It was like, whoa. So I did it and it went very well.
And
Host Brian Copeland: it was just a whole.
Guest Maureen Langan: I'm telling
Host Brian Copeland: you,
Guest Maureen Langan: it was a good, it was a good opportunity. So, but behind the scenes, it's just so funny because the dog wins and this is not the 1st time a comedian friend of mine, Tom Cotter, who's a fantastic comedian came in 2nd overall to a dog, like, 10 years ago. So I decided that I want with him.
I would like to he doesn't know this. I would like to start a support group and a kill shelter.
I love dogs. You guys, I raised money for dogs. I have a senior 15 and a half. I took him last year. Love dogs. No hate
Host Brian Copeland: mail. You're going to get docs.
Guest Maureen Langan: Kids like they get eliminated and they cry and I feel so bad for me. I'm like, well, yeah, you've got 50, 60 years [00:08:00] left to do this. I got nothing. My fuck is taken, baby.
Shut up. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck
Host Brian Copeland: up. Okay. Tell me about, about, about the actual broadcast itself. How, how intimidating is it to stand up in front of not just America, but in front of that panel of judges?
Guest Maureen Langan: Well, I will tell you this the 1st time it was pretty taped. So there's just a bit of pressure off of you because you, you don't know what they could edit it out.
They could edit it for better or worse. The semifinals was very daunting because it's a comedian and a performer going on 9 out of 11. they've been sitting there to show almost 2 hours. They were there 2 and a half hours before. So, you know, when you go out, you can feel an audience, you know, if they're electric, you know, if they're on fire when I, I did well, I mean, how we stood up the 2, uh.
Yeah. 2 of the judges were, like, not even paying attention. The audience was distracted and talking. You can't corral that. You can do your best with your big energy, but the audience doesn't know that how your timing is affected by that. Because I'm very boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, but then they're, like, coming on at [00:09:00] different times and the same joke, you know, they're laughing, but in different.
It was challenging. I did. Well, I'm proud of it, but I would have. I don't know if there's anything I could have done differently. I, I would have given it a solid 8. Uh, the 2nd or the 1st 1 was, I, I have no qualms with the 2nd 1 is, it was just interesting what you have to deal with as a comedian. You know, when you go out, if they're distracted, they're tired, they're chatting.
So when I went up and I did my 1st thing that usually gets a big laugh, I'm like, they laughed. I'm like, oh, this is going to be, I got it. I got what we're going to do.
Guest Justin Lockwood: People don't understand that when you do stand up, like the audience is your scene partner. Yeah, that's a good,
Guest Maureen Langan: yeah. Yeah. They don't get
Host Brian Copeland: that great analogy.
What bothered me though, and I'll
just
Guest Maureen Langan: tell you this, I love Howie a lot, but what really bothered me is I use this through line of that. It's over for me. 'cause of my age, I don't think it's over for me at all. But we live in a world that treats you like that. 'cause you know I'm post period pre-death, so you get like that, treated that way.
Mm-hmm. , um, afterwards, Howie, he stood up and he goes, you know what, women are gonna love you. Nobody ever says to a male comic men are gonna love you. [00:10:00] It's like, so suddenly misogynistic that people don't even notice. Wow. It's like, you know, I love this. They're going to love you, Brian. Oh, my God. You're you.
Black people are going to love you. Right? Right. Right. What are you talking about?
Host Brian Copeland: No, no, no, no.
Guest Maureen Langan: They don't like you. The right people like you, Brian. The black
Guest Justin Lockwood: people.
Host Brian Copeland: I'm kidding. You did the warm up for the, um, for the tonight show for how many years for Linus tonight show for five
Guest Don Reed: years, a thousand episodes, actually over a thousand episodes, over
Host Brian Copeland: a thousand episodes.
Okay. So when you, have you, did you, over the course of that thousand episodes, have any crowds like Maureen was just talking about where they're just, they've been there for a couple of hours and you just, no matter what happens, you can't corral them before the show, before the show starts or, or is that not.
Um, is that just something that doesn't happen because it's not allowed you better corral them or they're going to get somebody else.
Guest Don Reed: No, it doesn't [00:11:00] happen because the tonight show was such a well oiled machine. I mean, number one, all 22 years and everybody knows their move. Everybody. So they're only there for four.
They sat for half an hour. They might be in line a while, but once they get in the room, they sit for an hour. The show is 15 minutes and we are done. We're done. There's no hours and hours and hours. Now, a couple of interesting to happen. Uh, uh, the one time that Obama came to the show, there was a technical issue.
And so I had to vamp for like 20 minutes. Average I did was like five or six minutes a day. Uh, but, um, interesting story in terms of the audience getting slightly riled was when Rod Stewart came and he was doing his, uh, not, not, not Rod Stewart. Oh, what's his name? Um, Alice
Guest Justin Lockwood: Cooper. Alice Cooper came to very
Host Brian Copeland: different,
Guest Don Reed: super rocky people, but the young people were going like, who's this guy?
Why are we here? And they get a little bit of energy. The young people, they didn't know who [00:12:00] was when he broke out
Host Brian Copeland: schools out for all
Guest Don Reed: those kids went nuts. So it's moments like, but usually nothing too crazy. You
Host Brian Copeland: know, you kind of had a charmed gig there with Leno because everybody knew who they were coming to see and Laurie Kilmartin, uh, who does the podcast, uh, who wrote for years for Conan, uh, was telling us that sometimes we get audiences who didn't know who Conan was, that they, these audience, um, or these companies have companies that, that actually are, what are they audience coordinators that, that put audiences together and bring them in.
Sometimes she would come up, they warm up for us. Come on, be dealing with an audience who had no idea who they were seeing, which is just weird.
Guest Don Reed: Yeah. You know, a lot of times, um, those audience, uh, folks, um, when they see, um, probably more during his beginning than near later time, but sometimes, uh, they're just corralling a group of people who are at university studios and say, want to see a [00:13:00] show?
And they come in like, who is this? And those are the hardest audiences, a
Guest Justin Lockwood: lot of rehab groups. They'll
Guest Don Reed: get 30 people rehab and itching and wondering about their lives.
Host Brian Copeland: Oh, my God. Well, let me bring Justin in this conversation a little bit, then we'll get we'll get to the news. I
Guest Justin Lockwood: have no studio stories.
Host Brian Copeland: I'm wondering is whether or not you've ever seen anything taped live. Have you ever, uh, I've been in a studio audience like a couple of times. I, I went and saw the, the Lentil Tonight Show.
Actually I saw like three or four times because my ,
Guest Justin Lockwood: you know, I haven't, and my son really wants to go to an SS n l taping, oh, my son's 13 and wants to be a writer, so he really wants to do that. So, we'll, we'll find some time to do that, but, um, no. Alright. Take it. I, I, I have avoided, I have avoided all of that stuff.
Deliberate. I do have, I will tell you a real quick story [00:14:00] about, about my worst audience scene partner. I got a call right before COVID, maybe like six months before COVID. And they called me up and they said, we're blah, blah, blah. Winery up in Napa. I'm not gonna tell you which one we drop out in our fundraiser this evening.
We will pay you 500 for 20 minutes. Do you have a suit and I said, yes, and yes, and I will be there and I pulled up and just like Maureen was saying, like, I could feel that I was not a good fit from the parking lot, like my car was like, no, no, this is not for me and I went in and I saw another comedian who we all know, but I'm not gonna bring his name into it who they brought up from L.
A. And I looked at him. I said, How long are you doing? And he said, 40 minutes, I'm doing 20. And then we both said, this is going to be awful. And we had a glass of wine. We didn't know what it was for. And then this person got up and said, thank you for coming [00:15:00] out. As you know, we're raising money for the polo fields of Napa.
And I was just like, God, no, no, no, he says these words and I will never forget them. They said, as, you know, Bonnie rate was supposed to be here this evening
and I'm, I'm just dying. I'm dying. I said, please. We have some wonderful entertainment this evening. Please welcome our comic. Doesn't say my name. Just says, welcome our comic. I walk up to like, this. And just angry faces and I take the microphone and I say, you know, I can't make you love me. If you won't nothing, nothing
Host Brian Copeland: 20
Guest Justin Lockwood: minutes.
Now, we can either do this together and give them something to talk about. Or nothing. That was the longest 20 minutes of my life.
Guest Maureen Langan: But can I tell you what stood out [00:16:00] most to me in that story? They had a budget for Bonnie, right? And they only offered you 500
Host Brian Copeland: bucks. I
Guest Justin Lockwood: shouldn't. I don't even want to tell you how much money they raised at that thing.
Oh, man, it was funny. And the comedian again, who came up from from L. A. Who performs in the Bay Area all the time. He's the only person laughing. He is dying, watching me die. The way that only comedians can love watching another person die is just, we had a great time that evening.
Host Brian Copeland: I think I have a hookup with your son.
Guest Don Reed: What now? Very quickly, I think I have a hookup for your son, a writer. Press it now. A
Guest Justin Lockwood: hookup. Gone, that would mean the world. Thank you. We'll connect after.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah. Lovely. Before we move on, your story reminds me of the worst gig that I ever did was, um, about 10 years ago, uh, Mark Pitta, who I think you all know.
Like this all star show, um, to do a special promotional thing for the mall [00:17:00] at the mall at the shopping mall on a Friday night. So I said, Oh, you know, it's a mall I live by. So I thought, okay, what the heck I'll do it. I forget what it was. It wasn't a ton of money, but it was like, you know, it's going to be a bunch of my buddies there.
And, you know, as I said, it was all headliners on this thing. So I go when I do it and the. The, the, the stage is set up in the mall right in front of Bed, Bath,
and Beyond. There are people, you know, they're walking by shopping while we're standing up there, there are chairs in front of us, as we're trying to do sets. So I was supposed 20 minutes, and I swear to God, I went up there, I couldn't. Buy a lab, I went through everything and then I check, I had, I had my timer set on my phone and my phone set on the chair.
So that next to water. So that when I took a sip of water, I could check the time. Solitary bed, I go to everything I have planned, ready to go. [00:18:00] And I think 20 minutes, I take a sip of water, look at the phone. 4
Guest Justin Lockwood: minutes. That's
Guest Maureen Langan: painful. That's hard
Host Brian Copeland: and it's just all in the back, just laughing their asses off
as we do as we get it. Yeah, well, let's start with this. Prosecutors in New York filed a superseding indictment yesterday against George Santos representative George Santos from New York. The, the, the congressman who was elected, uh, based on his business acumen. Uh, the fact that he had made millions of dollars as a hedge fund manager and, uh, was a, a, I think it was a volleyball, volleyball, a soccer champion in college.
Volleyball volleyball. Yeah, and
Guest Don Reed: he also won an Oscar. He won an Oscar and he also won a Pulitzer.
Host Brian Copeland: That guy, I know who you're talking about, but he lied about everything. I mean, his mother 9, 11,
Guest Maureen Langan: his [00:19:00] mother was in the buildings at 9, 11, so that was a lie.
Host Brian Copeland: And then it was that he's Jewish, but he's not really Jewish.
You find that out. And it was all an accident. The way they found out was they, you know, he came out of nowhere. It was a brand new district that was, that was, uh, from redistricting. Uh, he was what was the first congressman elected. And then the New York times decided to do just kind of a puff piece. Say, Hey, who is George?
So the first thing they did was they called the place where he supposedly worked and they said, we never heard her.
It was like Goldman Sachs. It was like somewhere where, you know, at least like, you know, name a place that's out of business or something. The 1 that like, you know, then they told the 2nd place and sending. Never heard of. Then they called the school where he went to school and was a volleyball champion.
And not only did he not play volleyball, you never went there. You know, his name is not even his name, you know, so it's just unbelievable. So the latest [00:20:00] is, um, he was indicted facing 20, um, 23 counts. I'm sorry, he's facing 23 counts now. He was indicted previously facing 13 counts of various frauds and whatnot.
And what the new, uh, the new 10 superseding indictments accused him of is taking the credit cards of donors and using them. On himself to buy designer clothes, dance, all of this kind of stuff. So now he's up to 23. So the point of, I mean, there's, there's so much here, but the main thing is, is that they tried to, they're finally going to try to kick him out.
You've got some, uh, you've got some, some, uh, a handful of recently elected. Republican Congress people from New York state who also first timers who said, you know what? This is enough. It's making us all look bad. And they are introducing a bill to expel him, which should have been done months ago. But the [00:21:00] Republican, uh, majority is so incredibly thin that they just, you know, they need it.
So that's why they, why they didn't do it. But the reason I made this up is, uh, aside from the fact that it's news is that in the very beginning, when all the stuff that we just talked about first came out about how he lied, those defending him were saying that, hey, We all embellish our resumes. We all. So, so, so my question to you, first of all, you can comment on this.
If you'd like to on the story, anything you want to say about the story, but also tell me, have you ever embellished your resume when you've gone out for a gig? And if so, what's the worst thing that you, that you can think of that you put out?
Guest Justin Lockwood: I tell people that I opened for Bonnie
Raitt. She didn't show. That's her problem. Um, yeah, of course I embellish my, my, my, my resume when going out for a gig. No, it's funny. Actually, I'm realizing in this moment, I have more honor around comedy than I do commerce. So I will, I will exaggerate my business resume [00:22:00] for this or that. But when it comes to comedy, performing theater arts, like, no, I've never done that.
I'm trying to think. I'm trying to be honest. I'm really trying to come up with something. Have I ever like exact
Host Brian Copeland: Cause like, cause like, you know, like in acting and stuff and active stuff, I mean, you know, you put down the, you can, you know, would you
Guest Justin Lockwood: just like, say you played a role that you didn't play?
Like
Host Brian Copeland: you do it, you put that among your skills that you, that you can run a horse and then you get to take a horseback ride. I'm serious. I've never done like a classical piano or an afternoon. I've exaggerated. Like a roller skate
Guest Justin Lockwood: or roll go stick probably exaggerated my, like, uh, maybe my dance ability or like, you know, if I list these things and it's like, well, I did one afternoon of ballet and you just kind of throw it on there.
Guest Don Reed: I, the thing I, [00:23:00] um, it was kind of like blowing something into something that. Was it? Okay. So I won, I won 1984 playboy comedian of
Host Brian Copeland: the year, but it was in the L. A.
Guest Don Reed: Playboy club specifically in a back room and then night they announced that there were like 11 team people there. So it wasn't as big as it was, but I came for playbook. He made it a year. Got me hooked up with a bunch of other spots. Oh, you want next year for me to the year and they would call and say, yeah, he won, but it was for like, you know, it's 3 weeks of competition amongst, uh, you know, some half, but people and it was, it wasn't real.
I knew I was fitting it, but then it stuck. So
Guest Justin Lockwood: I had to keep going with it. Yeah, I don't know, man. I think that's making hay. That's, uh, that's all right with me.
Host Brian Copeland: Ha ha ha. That's so funny. You said you could skateboard or... [00:24:00]
Guest Maureen Langan: Yeah, sure, I could do flips. I do, I really mean like, when, on the acting thing, when they, uh, casting, they'll say, can you do this, this, and this?
And I'm like, yeah, sure, I can do that. And then you go, yeah, I can learn it quickly. You know, that type of thing. Um, but I gotta tell you, I actually do the opposite and I realized it recently. Um, when I do the opposite, like, for example, you mentioned I was on that. That should be forefront in my mind promoting right in terms of work.
So I did my resume after and it's like, in the 3rd sentence, I go, why am I not meeting with that? Because it's Irish. You're supposed to. I grew up an Irish mother. Don't speak too big for your britches. Don't make a show yourself, which is what I do for a living. But still, you have to always it's so ingrained that if you have something nice, like.
Like, I wouldn't wear designer stuff. I'd be humiliated. I have like sunglasses and they say Gucci because they were the best sunglasses prescription I could get. Um, and I get embarrassed that it has that like, so I do the opposite, you know, where I have to learn how [00:25:00] to be more but learn how to lie. Teach me fellas.
Teach me
Host Brian Copeland: not. I just thought of another one. Go ahead.
Guest Don Reed: I just thought of another one. Okay. So, uh, Robert Townsend called me because he got a role in a soldier story. Uh, Norman Joseph directing with Denzel Washington, all those guys, and that week he was supposed to do this PBS, uh, short film with Ossie Davis directing and Ruby Dee playing his mother about this alcoholic clown
Host Brian Copeland: and.
Robert
Guest Don Reed: called me. He said, uh, Don, I know you're acting capabilities and the humor stuff. He said, can you juggle and I,
Host Brian Copeland: well, I couldn't juggle,
Guest Don Reed: but it was Austin Davis and Ruby D
Host Brian Copeland: and Robert. I said, yes.
Guest Don Reed: I can juggle and I learned to juggle in 1 week, 3 golf ball, and it kept hitting me, but I got it together.
So, when I was on screen, I was able to juggle 3 golf balls. They said, [00:26:00] just golf balls, just golf balls, oranges, anything around don't try to give me anything. You know, cylindrical or long,
Host Brian Copeland: but I
Guest Justin Lockwood: figured it out. And there were 3 chances. That's right. Oh, yeah, that would not work out too. Well, that's
Host Brian Copeland: something.
There's some opportunities you have to do that. I mean, somebody called me and saying that we got a, you know, a Steven Spielberg role for you. If you can speak Chinese, I'd say, sure. By the time Spielberg held action, I would be fluid.
Guest Maureen Langan: You know, it's so funny. I say I can do an Irish accent cause my mom is from Ireland, but I am bad.
I embellish what the hell is wrong with you for the love of God. Get the hell out of here. You're good for nothing. She's more like, get out of here. You're good for nothing. It's much softer. My mother's voice. But I laughed because I was in Ireland doing a show and Edinburgh Fringe Festival and this Irish comedian.
Very, very brilliant. Mary Burke. Very droll. She comes up. Can I, am I allowed to curse on this or not? [00:27:00] On your show? Okay, it's not terrible. So. Oh, yeah, no, excuse me. You know, you're, you're, uh. I was imitating my mother and she's, you know, your Irish accent. It's that's what it is. She was angry. And I go, it's not my accent.
It's my mother.
Guest Don Reed: Don't get mad at me.
Guest Maureen Langan: The thing is,
Host Brian Copeland: it's one of those where nobody else would notice. Unless you were from there, you wouldn't know she was, I
Guest Maureen Langan: think, offended, she's offended, but she can get it. She'll be fine.
Host Brian Copeland: She'll be fine. She'll be fine. She'll be all right. Uh, let's see what else we get. Donald Trump is demanding a full apology from what he calls the failing Forbes magazine because they dropped him from the list of the 400 richest people in the world.
He's demanding a full apology Forbes says his net [00:28:00] worth has dropped by $600 million. Over the course of the last year. He missed the, uh, the list by $300 million and he had, he'd previously been on the list from 1996 to 2021. Wow. So apparently he obsesses over this thing. He used to call them up, you know, claiming to be his, a publicist named John Barrett.
and, and pump himself up to try to, you know, mm-hmm. , but to him, how much money he has or people think he has, that's difference between being a winner and a loser. So he's not on the list. So, um, speaking, Jared
Guest Maureen Langan: is on the list though. I, Jared is on how
Host Brian Copeland: he's that's something that, that, uh, that drives me nuts.
Okay. So they're going, they're, they're doing the whole a hundred Biden investigation and he's done some really shady crap. No, there's no question about it that they're investigating. It's fine that they found stuff. It's fine that the Justice Department is going to deal with it, or I think he's been indicted or whatever, whatever else happens, but [00:29:00] why in the hell is nobody looking at Jared Kushner and the 2 billion deal he got from Saudi Arabia?
He apparently he made tens of millions of dollars in the White House. Ivanka made tens of millions of dollars in the White House. Yeah, they're going out and they were officials. They were actual government officials, yet they're going out through a guy who I don't care what Biden's kids did. If they were elected or if they were in the government, I care, but he wasn't.
He's a private citizen. And you know, why aren't there congressional hearing over what a private citizen's doing? Just, just, just stop looking at Jared.
Guest Maureen Langan: Well, I do, and I've always wondered about the nepotism there and how, and his official role, he all of a sudden is the Middle East peace broker. I didn't think that has worked out so well, given what's going on, but still in all, he comes away richer than ever 2Million from the Saudis, though I do care 100 did not billion.
I'm sorry. Forgive me. Yes. What I know is not as big a deal to me. I do think there should be accountability. And what did he get off [00:30:00] his father's back? The guy's a drug addict and he's getting and listen, I respect that. He's gone through what he's gone through. There's no disrespect for that. People struggle.
However, how's he getting these big. Jobs, whatever he's getting daddy a bit. And how unethical is that? It was a wrongdoing. There's nothing wrong with looking into that. Taking that gun charge to the nth degree is insane, but I'm more interested in what Jared Kushner and Ivanka
Host Brian Copeland: done and, you know, when you talk about using his father's name, he's not the 1st.
The first presidential son to do that. Um, you know, George W. Bush made his own personal fortune, his own fortune with his own, his partial ownership of the Texas Rangers and the way he was able to get into anybody who tries, I mean, for Don and I, for example, to try to get out of a, buy a piece of a major league team.
I mean, forget it. You know, unless we were like, you know, Willie Mays or Willie [00:31:00] McCovey all star forget, but they, they let him in for
Guest Maureen Langan: sorry. I was just throwing out black by baseball players. Cleon Jones, Tommy, Tommy. Come
Host Brian Copeland: on. So they let him in for 300, 000 and somebody later on said, uh, that the reason that they did was because they wanted the name George Bush on their letterhead.
And so later on that 300, 000, they let him in for, he's able to sell his part of the team for, I guess, 18 million or something, something crazy. So he's not the first, and not to say that it's right, because it's not right. It's not right. But he's, he's. Right.
You know, I think,
Guest Don Reed: um, it's clear that they try to, they trying to hold on to something to try to link it to Biden because they don't have anything. But the thing about it though, [00:32:00] there's so much, and this is a slight shift. There's so much on Trump. There's
Host Brian Copeland: 91, there's
Guest Don Reed: so much stuff that I could see somebody on the right, believing that it's trumped up.
It's too much. Maybe it was a couple of things that could go, uh, okay, maybe he did that. But there's so many things. It seems like it is made up. The right could say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, this is all made up. You see
Host Brian Copeland: what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah.
Guest Justin Lockwood: Well, also just on top of that, I mean, there's so many things.
To go after that guy and that family about, like, the Cushner thing is way down the list, like, way down and you can't take that big of a bite. You have to go after these things. I mean, the American public barely has the attention span of a coked up gerbil. Like, we can't go after.
It's like, we're going to eat our way down, you know, I, I mean, I [00:33:00] really do, if I were in the position of thinking, like, how do I take down this ex president and this family, I'm going to pick the top 4 things and work my way down. I can't just take it all on.
Host Brian Copeland: Right, you know, I'm trying to think if my dad was president, would I use it?
I wouldn't use it for business. I would use it for stuff like tables. In a restaurant, just so you can eat, just so you can eat. Are you, are you, you, you're full tonight? Uh, there's no room for Brian Copeland, the president's son, to get in? I would use it for stuff like that. Oh, there are no ticket slots?
Guest Justin Lockwood: I would use it for everything.
You, you, I don't mean to do one of these like, okay, boomer kind of things, but this is late stage capitalism, guys. There are no rules. There is no honor. Get your money while there's still time. Still money to be made like any way that you can that doesn't hurt people like that's it. That's that's the only rule.
Guest Maureen Langan:[00:34:00] To you, Brian, I'm wondering, like, you're talking about embellishing performance. Of course, people know who you guys are, you know, you perform, they see you, they go, oh, my God, I know you. I know you from KTO, but it's happened to me. I saw you. I saw you on show time. I'm like, I wasn't on show time. So, but you don't want to go on that and embarrass the person.
Oh, thanks. Thanks. That's where. I might embellish they were wrong, but I don't want to embarrass them because they feel that there is a recognition. So I don't want to make them uncomfortable. What are you an idiot? I wish I weren't, you know, somebody. So I just go. Thanks. Thanks. You know,
Host Brian Copeland: crazy now is my, my oldest son, Adam.
Is a sports talk show host at K nbr. He does afternoons on K nbr and, uh, I'm throwing him a plug. You can, you can listen over the internet. He's KBRs an AM and on FM here at the Bay Area. Uh, and uh, you can also go to the K NBR website and you can hear it show and people say that he sounds that, that we sound alike.
He gets it and I get it. We don't hear, the two of us don't hear it, but there have been so many [00:35:00] people over the course. He's had this gig for, I think about a year and a half now. And over that course of a year and a half, there have been so many people who have come up to me and said, love your show.
Listen to you every day. Hey, what do you think? And I'm not a big sports guy, you know, so I don't know any of this stuff and I do. I do. I do say that's not me. It's my kid. No, it's not. It's you. It's not me. It's my kid. It's not. It's not funny. That's funny. So you actually say that it's not you though. Of course I do.
I'm like, yeah, yeah. If you're complimenting his work, that's it. That was wouldn't that be crappy for me to take credit for my kids work for somebody coming to go. I love what you do every day. Thank you. Sounds kind of Trumpy. Exactly.
Let's see, the MyPillow CEO, Mike Lindell, says that he's out of money. He's out of money. His attorneys are asking the judge to let them out of their obligation to represent him because he [00:36:00] owes the millions of dollars in a defamation suit by the dominion voting machine people, people who box had to pay all that money to their student for 1.
3 billion. He says he's out of money. He says he's lost a hundred million dollars since he started this election fraud crap. Uh, and all of the, once he started that, all of the big box retailers have dropped him. Walmart has dropped him. All the big stores have dropped him. And, uh, he's only doing direct sales, I guess.
And, and it's just people aren't buying. I had a MyPillow before all of this broke. I had a MyPillow. Because when I was at KGL, he was a sponsor of mine. So I bought one to support the sponsor and it was a good pillow. I liked the pill, but once he, once I saw him and he opened his mouth, um, I literally threw this perfectly good pillow in the garbage.
I swear to God, I took this pillow and I threw it in the garbage. Yes. Okay. It's not doing anything to him. Yeah. I already paid for it. I basically just threw my own money in the toilet, but you know, so, so [00:37:00] my question to you is, is there a product or a company? That you have, have, have stopped, uh, purchasing, dealing with, associating with because of politics, uh, and I'll tell you mine is, is Home Depot.
Once I found out that Home Depot was the, the CEO of Home Depot was a major Trump donor, you know, forget it. If he was a major Republican donor, that, that didn't bother me. It's fine. But this is, you were supporting the guy that the Ku Klux Klan supports, and I'm not giving you my money to turn around and do it, and so I will not go to Home Depot.
And, and obviously I won't use my pillows. I told you
Guest Maureen Langan: my pillow guy stuffed his money in a mantis.
Silly. I'm being silly. When people are anti gay, um, yeah. And I, you know, when I find out somebody who's a Trump supporter and I can't off the top of my head thing, but I'm very aware of that. Like yourself, Brian, the night girl guy, forget it. He lost me. Forget it. I don't [00:38:00] want his pillow. He can smother himself with this pillow.
I don't care about his pillows, but that type of thing too. Yeah. I'm aware of that, too. When I find that out, I'll back away.
Guest Don Reed: There was a thing for a while with a Gucci belt, um, the reversible G's. Um, there was some conversation around them being, uh, racist and not supportive of, uh, black buyers. So I went along the window. Without wearing those and then they, they, um, they made some chess moves to impact some, um, some, some black real estate agents, um, got back on board and that kind of shifted it.
But I was very aware that someone had got me this really, really nice, really expensive belt and I refused to wear it.
Host Brian Copeland: Let me get this straight. So if you refuse to wear a Gucci belt, that was your political statement. I just want to make sure I refuse.
Guest Don Reed: I refuse to wear it. You threw yours in the garbage. I hung mine in the [00:39:00] closet.
Thank you very
Host Brian Copeland: much. Mine was a pillow. Yours was a Gucci belt. But I didn't throw it in the garbage though. That would have been really standing
Guest Justin Lockwood: up if I put it in the garbage.
I do try not to go to Home Depot, even though my, my son tells me that Lowe's isn't that much better. Like, if you really like track the money that all of these companies are giving millions of dollars to like, both sides, right? I think the Home Depot is worse than Lowe's, but it's a little bit of kind of like, choosing like, which enemy you want to sleep with.
I'm trying to think if there's anything I don't know. I, I, not to get into like, long story, but like, I grew up like, in a semi commune with like, hippie parents that made my clothes and like, everything. So. My, like, worse sin is that we're a little addicted to the convenience of [00:40:00] of Amazon in terms of, like, getting a lot of basic stuff delivered, which I don't feel good about.
And I'm not sure exactly how to make, like, an impact to those drivers. I've actually wrestled with this. I have my garage door open a lot because I work in the garage a lot and I've thought, Justin, you should ask the driver if they want to come in and use the bathroom or want something to drink or this or that.
And I don't know a non creepy way to say it. It's just like, do you need a bathroom? Do you want to use mine? I'm a good white person. Do you see the flags? I'm trying, but there's no good way to do it.
Host Brian Copeland: I'm
Guest Maureen Langan: looking at some of the people who supported the companies who supported, um. Versace is the 1 who was supporting, um, Don, maybe you had a Versace belt, but this is the prior campaign, not current. So I don't know Nathan's hot dogs. Um, [00:41:00] Taco Bell, I'm just looking at legit dot NG. So I don't know how authentic this website is.
I just did a quick equinox and soul cycle Taco Bell though. I don't eat it often, but. Yeah.
Guest Justin Lockwood: No, no, no money directly to Trump. Maureen. That's what you're saying. Well, I'm
Guest Maureen Langan: looking, I'm telling you, please. Everybody, the journalist to me says, please do your own homework and triple check these sources because I have not, but it says legit dot NG.
I just did a quick search. I don't know what legit NG is, but it said, I'm sorry, which 1
Guest Justin Lockwood: are you asking about? Equinox and soul cycle because those are just. I mean, frankly, not surprising to me.
Guest Maureen Langan: Well, lemme see what it says here. Um, unless Brian sees that first, but it says, um, yeah, it's well, ESEE Ladder, uh, Wendy's.
It's just the, the owners of,
Host Brian Copeland: Hmm. I said Wendy's all, man, these are all places I [00:42:00] can't go to anymore. . Exactly. It's like, it's, it's like I'm back in right.
Guest Maureen Langan: The chairman Steven Ross, uh, he's had planned to host a reelection fundraiser for Trump. He's the founder chairman of those companies. Uh, he's been in anyway, this
Host Brian Copeland: is back off your mic. I talked to your mic a little bit. Cause you're sorry. I got
Guest Maureen Langan: intense. I got crazy. Okay. Sorry. Here I
Host Brian Copeland: am better when you're back a little bit further.
Guest Maureen Langan: I'm sorry. I was reading. I'm so excited. Okay.
Host Brian Copeland: Okay. So
Guest Don Reed: is there anybody still going to
Guest Justin Lockwood: Chick fil A? I've never, I've never eaten fast food. It's, it's a real, it's a, it's a real feather
Host Brian Copeland: in my cap. I've never been in one. They were talking about putting one in my town and I said, I'll fight it to the death. You know, the zoning and all that, whatever it takes, you know, I don't want those bigots in my town, [00:43:00] you know?
So it, it, it came, it, it came
Guest Don Reed: to, um, there was a, uh, a baseball party for my sons years ago, and someone, uh, brought them in, uh, uh, and served them like unwrapped. Like, you can come get 'em right here. But they weren't in, they took the Chick-fil-A stuff off. I think they knowingly did that. And then people were eating them.
And then, uh, this, uh, uh, gay couple, uh, these two women said, Are, are these Chick-fil-A? And they said, how do you know? And the one said, I know the taste of them and we don't eat there anymore. So then everybody had to put their Chick-fil-a's down and look at the food. There're like,
Guest Maureen Langan: oh, now we have to suffer.
Okay. It's been purchased already. All right. No, I'm,
Host Brian Copeland: I, I get it. And you know, he eats there. Is is Ron, Ron Vibe, who is irregular on uh, on hilarious. It was hilarious, the funniest comics around, just hysterical, and he's, and he's gay, a gay comic, openly gay comic. And, uh, he, uh, said that he eats it because he really likes it.
And I go, look, [00:44:00] I'm boycotting for you. I'm doing it for you. You're going there. He goes, yeah, but it's really good shit. And we, we've talked about this in air a couple of times, hilarious sandwich. And it just, you know, I can't find anywhere else. And it's like, yeah, but I'm doing, I'm boycott this you for you , I'm doing this for you.
Guest Justin Lockwood: Look, there's a real argument that none of this stuff matters. I mean, really it might matter to like you and your own personal integrity and your own feelings inside of your body and your experience. But in terms of out in the world, Like, there's definitely an argument on Ron's side of guys eat the sandwich.
Don't eat the sandwich. My rights are unaffected, but here's the
Host Brian Copeland: thing was
Guest Don Reed: slammed pretty hard. Um, when they had the trans individual speaking in behalf of, but like, they saw a precipitous drop in the, but like, so I, I think it can have a financial impact. If enough
Host Brian Copeland: [00:45:00] people, right?
Guest Maureen Langan: What's interesting about that, though, Don, is I think people not eating Chick fil A are supporting a cause of gay rights.
I think those who backlash with Bud Light are like, how dare you bring anything but an intense maverick white guy who smokes Marlboros on our cover? How dare you show any other kind of person? And you know what? It could have been, it was supposed to be a limited edition. They're trying to open up their beer to other worlds and this particular, sorry.
Love white men, uh, you know, got three brothers, a father and my Sicilian lover, but there was an image. Well, well, s he's Sicilian the, so you don't know that, you know, what they say about the Sicilians? We don't know. But, uh, you know, my point there is it was too diverse and I, I, it was kitchy and it was over the top for people who are used to a certain brand, but it was a limited edition.
And why can't it be more instead of less? And that's, so I think there's a different mindset. The
Guest Justin Lockwood: thing that's tough [00:46:00] about that is that even when people make an argument and an argument, frankly, that I. I, I understand, even though I don't agree with of just kind of, of just being exhausted by identity politics and so on and being part of everything, just that emotional experience.
But the thing that's tough about that is that when the default is me, and anytime you step away from what this looks like, that's right. That's considered a political thing. That's where it becomes. That's where it becomes difficult because they're not. That's right. It's like. Yeah. I, I, I wonder how many of those people are upset about the trans thing, or are they just upset about, can't I just have one effing thing that I don't have to think about or wrestle with?
Oh, you know? Yeah, yeah. I get it when I see commercials with that, I don't see it as, right. Yeah. But I, I do, I do wonder about it. Well, I was saying
Guest Maureen Langan: when I see commercials, I realize I'm the only person not in an interracial [00:47:00] relationship in America.
Guest Justin Lockwood: I realized that my son and I talk about this all the time about how TV.
While I, I appreciate what we're trying to do. Like, I do not know that world at all. I don't know this weird, there's 1 Asian person, 1 black person, white 1, white person, 1 Hispanic, and they all hang out together. And I don't know where that exists. Well,
Host Brian Copeland: that's
Guest Maureen Langan: right. Can I ask you guys an opinion on this?
How about this? I can't say the show, but I got a call this morning to do some stand up on. Um, it's not a major late night show, but it's a national show that has a big following. And, um, the, um, host is an extremely. Conservative extremely conservative person.
Guest Justin Lockwood: You're going to do the fox thing. The Fox late night show.
Oh,
Guest Maureen Langan: no, no, no, [00:48:00] I did that years ago. No, no, that was before it got really crazy. I did red eye many years ago, but when it was when Greg, Greg Duffield was fine and quit it and not like he is now. It doesn't matter. I, when the producer called me, I said, uh, you know, 1st of all, I go, listen, I am a bleeding heart.
Feminist liberal, so this politics thing, I mean, we don't John, it's not a connect and then she said, well, but your humor is, and if we keep it on that, you'll have an audience like this and you'll be able to, you know, get more work. And so then you look, do you use that platform? So that you can get more work, and the more people know you on that platform, and you have different opinions, and then that maybe open some people's minds, or she's cool or, you know, or we hate her.
So I'm going to do it. But at 1st, I record it. I
Guest Justin Lockwood: fall on that side. I really do. Like, I fall on the side of it's more subversive. and braver to go do a show or hang [00:49:00] out with the people who are not you. I almost always fall on that side of things. I did a, I did a fundraiser for the Boy Scouts a couple of years ago, who I, I mean, I am so against everything that organization does.
Yeah, and a lot of people are, I'm not, I don't want to argue it out with you, but I mean, it's, um, yeah, it's, it's crazy to me. The, the, the things we will allow to continue, uh, given their recent, uh, their recent past, um, but. It's not that
Host Brian Copeland: recent. Let me stop you for a second. It's, it's, it's not that recent and, and I don't feel the same way about the organization today as I did when I, you don't
Guest Justin Lockwood: think the child molestation, the anti gay stuff, all of that.
I do. That's,
Host Brian Copeland: that's the point.
Guest Justin Lockwood: That's why I'm saying right now. Yeah.
Host Brian Copeland: And but their perversion files go back to 1936. This is not. Yeah,
Guest Justin Lockwood: I mean, again, [00:50:00] but I feel it's, it's better for someone like me and I got up and I talked about being Jewish and I talked about, I talked about the stuff I wanted to talk about.
Um, that is a better move than just saying nope, and confining people to some sort of dark corner somewhere. I think, I think it's better when we, we move people through inter, through interaction. I've had a couple of interactions with vehement Trump supporters that challenge my heart. That like, challenge the part of me that wants to slug them.
Guest Maureen Langan: I like your point of view. I really appreciate your thoughtfulness. Justin. I, I, I think it's yeah, that's good. Thank you. Now with him. No, I too. I like it. I like hearing that.
Guest Justin Lockwood: You know, it's a nice I'll tell you this quick story. Not to think so, but. Right when Trump was elected, but hadn't taken office, we were coming up on Christmas [00:51:00] and I was driving to LA with my son to see my parents and we were driving and some guy T boned us at like 30 miles an hour, just drunk.
I was just. Cream through an intersection and we were in a small 2 person convertible. I mean, if it had been 8 inches this way, it would have just crushed me because there's like, no front, no back. It's just seat and we spin out, hit a pole. My head hits the side of the window and blood just starts pouring down the side of my face.
And I was fine. But, you know, how these. These kind of cuts up in this area can bleed and I get out of the car. I look at Shiloh. I say, are you okay? And he sees my face and just starts to cry and flip out and I fall backwards and I hear. Some voices shouting, I'm a nurse. My husband's a nurse. We are coming to you.
Don't move. And I see 4 nurses [00:52:00] all with Trump hats on running my direction. And I'm like, oh, God, no, just let me die. It's can't be happening and they. Take my son out of the car and they wrap him in a blanket and they start to give him feed and they prop my head and they're holding me and they're touching the side of my face.
And they're like, you're fine. We're going to take care of you. And this woman looks me in the eye and says, where are you from? And I say, Berkeley. And we, like, look at each other with this. Okay, we're not going to talk about that. And after taking care of us for hours and being with us, God knows where they were going to the day before Christmas.
This woman looks at me and says, I'd like you to come back to our house. You can stay in my house for the evening before you go on. And I say, no, we've got like, 2 more hours to go. But thank you for doing that. Wow. And then we just had [00:53:00] this, this heart to heart where it just has made it really, really hard for me to really, really hate these people.
I hate them as a group, but individually, it is so tough. Yeah, underneath that, the real
Guest Don Reed: common connection is underneath all that fight stuff. And that's a prime
Guest Justin Lockwood: example of it. It's so hard. When we were traveling in Belize last year, we found ourselves on an island. With a Christian family that owned a Chick fil A and they voted for Trump and it was the 4 of them, me, my son and my wife on an island, the size of a table and we had to spend a whole day together.
And I'm telling you, they were the most beautiful, wonderful. People, as long as you kind of stayed away from this one piece over here, and I know that piece is ugly and it's dangerous and it's hurtful, but they're also mothers and their fathers and their [00:54:00] kids are just their kids and. I can't, what about
Host Brian Copeland: this?
Here's the, hang hang one second. Here's, here's, here's the but to this, and that is, I'm not saying you should hate anyone. First of all, I wanna make sure that I,
Guest Justin Lockwood: I'm clear. No, no, no. I know you're not saying that 100%.
Host Brian Copeland: I know you weren't saying that. I, I'm just putting that as a preface to what is that I'm about to say.
And that is, I don't think that you should hate anyone. You can hate what it is that they do. You can hate what it is that they, that they support. Um, but I think that when you do. Look at, at, at some of the individual people you can. There was historical president forever, you know, and people of color could tell you this, of, of those people who are nice, wonderful, fine, uh, people who don't really dislike black people.
They have some black friends. , you know, or don't I have two too French, who are the nicest, finest people in the world? As long as don't mention the Chinese. I
Guest Justin Lockwood: know. You know, [00:55:00] I know. I do know. And it's. Yeah, that's, and I'm actually, you and I have had a similar discussion to this before, Brian, where I, I hear what you're saying about.
I don't hate you. I hate this thing, but I think we are what we do in this world. I don't believe in a soul really, or if there is 1, which I hope there is. I don't know that there is, but I think what we do in the world is what we are, at least while we're here, How we make each other feel. This is all there is.
Mm-hmm. . If there is a soul, it has nothing to do with this physical thing that we're here doing. How I make you feel and what I do to you. That's all I am.
Host Brian Copeland: Right. So when you have a, I was gonna say there, there was a a, a, a, uh, talk show host friend of mine at K G O and I don't know if you know him or not.
Mau, did you know Gil Gross? Uh, yeah, I know who Gil is. Yeah. Yeah, he said, we talked about this when Michael Jackson [00:56:00] died, and there were two camps. One camp was, was about how, you know, sad and terrible and tragic it was he died. And there was the other camp that could talk about nothing other than he was a pedophile.
And when Gil and I were discussing it, and he said something very interesting to me and the older I get, the more I realize he's right. And that is that we write our own epitaphs.
We write You know, what you do in life is what you will be remembered for after you were gone. So, um, so I, on that note, I think you're, you're absolutely right, Jess, in terms of what it is that you're saying about how we treat people.
Guest Maureen Langan: Yeah, and you know, when you have a good friend for life, you know, for 30 years who supports Trump and you hear some of the reasons why you realize that the personal is always political and the political is always personal.
So if a person who voted for him, who's my friend and her reason being those people and those people, those, you go, who are you? Who are you underneath that? So [00:57:00] I always loved her, but it made it very hard to hear some racist things come out of her mouth. And, you know, we have a friend who's mixed race and she goes, God, she sees everything through everything being black.
I go, well, she doesn't know somebody is an ass because they're an ass or they're an ass because she's a person of color. Like she does not have that luxury that we have to decide. So she's, well, she sees everything through race. And we'll go, she's, I don't know what to tell. Let's have compassion. Let's understand why she does.
But it just, the things that started coming out of her mouth about those people. And it just, I realized, who are you? And I didn't like what was underneath that because underneath that we are all human, but what is your humanity or lack thereof? What are your values beneath that? So it's more than voting for Trump.
It's the reasons why some people did it because they had their bank accounts. One woman said, oh, my bank account's really good with them. I go, all right, well, what should I, but I was raised Catholic. I go, well, all right. Ask what Jesus would do when we vote for somebody like that, because he had a big bank account.
But I really think you get to know what people. People's values are, and if you really want to align yourself and hang out with that person and have them in your world, 24 7 versus being [00:58:00] on an island, literally stuck with them and making the best of it and finding their humanity in a way, but would you want them in your home every day?
You know, spewing anti anti everything that isn't that
Guest Don Reed: is very challenging because when you think about. Uh, for example, the woman who was saying, I can't think of her name, but she was saying, we can't have these college students. Just rolling out of bed and voting. We got to move these ballot boxes or these college students going to wake up, just roll out of bed and vote.
That woman could be outstanding at a dinner, but what she's thinking about doing, what she's fighting for, if it's about what you do, then that's not good. Yeah, that's not good if, if the doing is, um, you know, Hey, I just live my life. I do what I want. Uh, and I'm a nice person. Uh, the ramifications of fighting to move ballot boxes away from campuses nationwide is a [00:59:00] horrible, um, I, I've got to, I've got to challenge that
Guest Justin Lockwood: person.
I've got to challenge. You think that Don, do you think that, do you think that most Trump voters? Make a connection that in supporting him or supporting Republicans or, uh, supporting that agenda, that they are directly making these things happen even though they're not doing them, but they're putting people in place that are doing them.
Do you think, do you think most people think about that separation?
Guest Don Reed: I, I see, I say, uh, to differentiate. I say most of them do not, they do not at all. But a person like that knows they're actively chest moving. To disenfranchise, uh, college students, black voters and the like. So I'd say the average person that votes is not
Host Brian Copeland: aware of that.
I agree with you. The average person is not aware of that. And I was listening to some, it was a commentator I saw on one of the [01:00:00] news stations, cable news stations, who was talking about why it is. That no matter what happens, because there's a question as to whether or not if they televised these trials, like the Georgia trial will be televised.
However, the federal trial for over trying to overturn the election won't be anybody wants it to. They think that that will make, finally make those, the MAGA people who don't believe the truth, believe the truth. And this commentator would say, no, they won't. And here's the reason why they're too invested.
These people have, a lot of these people have lost friends of decades, a lot of these people are estranged from their children, but a lot of these people, because of their opinion about this and how sprightly they supported this man, will never see their grandchildren again, they can't now turn around and go, oops.
You know,
Guest Justin Lockwood: that's a big, it's the classic sunk cost fallacy kind of thing, right? The sunk cost fallacy is something that we do in relationships. We do it with money. We do it with investments. We do with all kinds of things [01:01:00] up. I put a 100 dollars into this stock and it's worth 10 now. so I'm going to put 50 dollars in to try to get my and you just keep going and you keep going.
I
Host Brian Copeland: call that I call that what? You call that what? We play in blackjack. That's
Guest Justin Lockwood: not to stick on this for too long, but I am curious. So, Don, do you do you think that do you think that spending time with. With with Trump people with conservative people that just your presence is a challenge. Like, how direct do you choose to be?
Because I'm talking about being on like, that island, like, when I'm there and. And I'm, and I'm wearing, you know, some LGBT shirt, which I was at the time, and I'm talking about being from Berkeley and the Bay Area and how much we love California and they're from Tennessee and they own their Chick fil a, but then we're, they're kind of being together, like.[01:02:00]
Are we're, we're, we're creating friction with each other just by being there. Is it necessary or how necessary is it to look at them and say, you really shouldn't own that Chick fil a. Like, I think they probably I'm thinking that. Yeah.
Guest Don Reed: Okay. Well, I can point to an example. My. You know, I, I, I, um, engage in intercollegiate speech and debate.
At UCLA, and so it's in my bloodstream to engage and debate people online that say something off the wall. But my experience has been once I engage them and they start getting super angry, get super angry. At some point. It gets funny. At some point, something makes it kind of funny and it breaks down.
There's a guy who lives in North Carolina who detailed cars, and he was saying some Trump is stuff going over the top, saying a bunch of crazy stuff. And then at some point he said something, he tried to call me a name, uh, [01:03:00] be ready. He said,
Host Brian Copeland: you're a, you're a knickknock.
Guest Don Reed: And I said, what is a knickknock? And I laughed.
And then he's like, oh, yeah, it's supposed to be a slur or whatever, but we started discussing it. And now I helped that guy create a new, um, logo for his shop. A new logo for his detail shop, and so we came to this common ground and and he said, I see a little bit more what you're talking about and I'm going to look at a little closer.
So just the engagement brought an edge off of it and open them up a little bit. But if someone came down extra hard and kept it rough. I don't see how I could find a way to engage, but there is some plus in the engagement, but you have to see what
Guest Justin Lockwood: you're talking about there. And that's not being in relationship.
That's being attacked and, like. You know, if somebody comes at you, you are allowed to come back. And
Host Brian Copeland: I want to say, my response would have been that I drink Nignogs every Christmases. [01:04:00] That's exactly what I mean. With that folks, we are out of time. Folks, Maureen, where are you? Where can people come and see?
I'm gonna be at
Guest Maureen Langan: Rooster T. Feathers in Sunnyvale, October 26th to the 29th, and also on the 28th in the afternoon I'll be in Palo Alto. It's called Ability Path. It raises money. I'm hosting this event. It raises money for people of all abilities from infants who need extra PT to adults trying to live independently to integrated preschool kids of all abilities.
So they're all socialized together. Wonderful organization, but come to. Rooster Tease in Sunnyvale, the 26th to the 29th. Everything's at MaureenLangen, L A N G A N. com.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah. We'll pleasure to have you. Thank you for coming on. I
Guest Maureen Langan: appreciate it. Brian, you're great. You guys are great.
Host Brian Copeland: Don?
Guest Don Reed: Um, I'll try to make this fast.
I'm at the Marsh, San Francisco, and we'll be thereafter at the Marsh, uh, Berkeley. It's the 14th birthday, 14 years that I've been doing East 14th. My story about bringing up a Jehovah's witness in Oakland and moving in with my [01:05:00] real dad, who I didn't know was a pimp. It's my whole heart in it. The show has some new stories and some growth and, uh, it also impacts some, some nice things about, uh, Missy that ours was helps, uh, sexually exploited young women get out of the life.
I'll be headlining the Throckmorton. Doing the never too late show, which is part of my deal with the Johnny Carson estate. And, um, I just got a nice little overall deal in Marin, which everyone on this show will be a part of, uh, booking, uh, comedians and storytelling at Deer Park Villa and Max and a couple of other locations that we're looking.
Oh, good
Host Brian Copeland: for you. That's great. That's going to be good for everybody. East 14th street is a legendary show and
Guest Maureen Langan: fantastic show.
Host Brian Copeland: It's funny. It's poignant. And so I definitely go out and see it. Uh, Justin,
Guest Justin Lockwood: I actually got booked on a couple of new things. Just this morning. I mentioned some other shows that are coming up next month and I have [01:06:00] other smaller stuff, but these are, these are 2 larger gigs that I'll throw out there.
They're not till January, but these are good. I'm going to be at the California theater. And Santa Rosa on January 12th, and I'm going to be headlining at 3 Steve's winery on January 5th. And that's a really, really fun show. Um, so, uh, make 1 of those. All right,
Host Brian Copeland: and I'll throw my plug out, uh, uh, my, my newest show, grandma and me and open to single parents.
Uh, we just opened up the marsh in Berkeley. So, uh, I'm doing a Friday nights at seven 30, seven 30 is the current. So that will be, uh, we'll be starting that, uh, this Friday night. So if you're in the, if you're in Berkeley or in the Bay area, in East Bay, come on by see the show, um, as a gift to single parents, if you are a single parent, uh, use the code single parent and you get in free.
And so I tell people, if you know, a single parent, you want to do something for them, offer to watch their kids so they can. Oh,[01:07:00]
Guest Maureen Langan: this was a special show. You put a special show. You guys are awesome. All 3
Guest Justin Lockwood: of you. Absolutely. My favorite show of these that I've done. I'm glad we stepped away from politics a little bit, or at least got under it a little bit.
Host Brian Copeland: Lange
and Justin. It's and I will have you all again. If you do it, I'll have you on again soon.
Guest Maureen Langan: Bye,
Host Brian Copeland: you guys. I want to thank you for listening. I want to thank you for watching over the course of the last, oh, a little over an hour. I will check you out next week. Until then, be kind to your neighbor. He knows where you
live.