Guests this week: Lauren Mayer & Don Reed
This week's edition of Copeland's Corner, with featured Headliners Lauren Mayer & Don Reed .
Tune is as Brian and his guests welcome listeners back to Copeland's Corner after a hiatus due to illness. He discusses the prevalence of various viruses causing sickness and reflects on the necessity of masks amidst ongoing health concerns.
- He mentions the two candidates who have clinched nominations for the 2024 election: Joe Biden for the Democrats and Donald Trump for the Republicans. He expresses concern about the prospect of Trump being re-elected, citing past controversies and failures during his presidency.
- Copeland criticizes Trump's handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, alleging that misinformation led to preventable deaths. He also condemns Trump's behavior after losing the election, particularly his role in the Capitol riot.
- Copeland fears for the future of democracy if Trump were to be re-elected, expressing skepticism about his willingness to leave office peacefully after a potential second term.
- The conversation reflects on the political climate and anticipates a turbulent election season with Trump as a prominent figure.
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Host Brian Copeland: [00:00:00] Well, hello again, this is Brian Copeland talking. Welcome to another edition of Copeland's Corner. If all goes well, we'll be joined soon by three distinguished comics and we will talk about some of the news of the week. Uh, we had the last couple of weeks off cause I had had that bug that's going around.
I shouldn't say that bug because apparently my doctor says there are like a hundred viruses that are going around right now, literally a hundred viruses. And, uh, some make you cough some stuff up your nose. Some, you know, do both. Uh, and there's literally nothing they can do. There's literally nothing they can do.
They have to run their course and, uh, the one I had where I couldn't breathe out of my nose. This is the first day I've breathed out of my nose in two weeks. And they, uh, doctor said that they, uh, they, they are lasting one to three weeks. So a lot going around, a lot [00:01:00] going around. So, you know, maybe masks should come back in style.
You know, we've all relaxed and taken our masks off. You know, I know I wore mine everywhere. And didn't get sick for a long time. Soon as I take the mask off going places. Yeah, this is like the third thing I've had in the last six, six months. So anyway, uh, let's see, we've got, um, the two candidates for the Democrats and, uh, for the Republicans for the 2024 election, Joe Biden, clinched the nomination and, uh, Trump clinched the nomination.
So we get a replay. Of 2020 and got to tell you, I'm just shaking my head because I just know that this is going to be a show, you know, just, it just is, um, and I will tell him, I'll be straight up honest with you as partisan as this is, I'm just going straight up and say it, you know, that Donald Trump being president again, scares the hell out of me.
Scares the hell out of me, and I can't [00:02:00] believe that so many people in this country right now have like amnesia as to what we went through between 2017 and 2021 with this guy and, you know, all of the cruelty and the horrible things that, you know, separating, uh, Children from their parents at the, at the, uh, us Mexico border.
And here we are in 2024. And a lot of those kids have still not been reunited with their parents because nobody kept track of where they were placing them. Uh, and of course, you know, the COVID epidemic, I'm sorry. You know, if, if Trump were not the president or if he had been as president acted presidential and gave, uh, the American people, uh, all of the information as he received it.
You know, from, uh, from, uh, Deborah Burks and from Fauci. Um, there would be, uh, the estimate I saw was a hundred thousand people, approximately a hundred thousand people died who didn't have to die because [00:03:00] of misinformation that they were given or information that they were given, uh, during, uh, Trump's briefings that, um, had things deleted that the administration thought would make them look bad.
You know, if he had encouraged masking, if he had encouraged people to take the vaccine instead of being anti vaxxers. You know, how many people will still be walking around today, you know, who, who it just boggles the mind. Uh, and then after he loses the election, he riles up a crowd to attack the U S Capitol to attack the Capitol in Washington.
And you know, have we forgotten this in this whole, you know, are you better off today than you were four years ago? Yes, we all are. Of course we are. Four years ago in 2020, we were locked in our houses. You know, everything was shut down. We were locked in our houses. You know, so of course we're better off today.
I mean, why is this even close? Yes, Joe Biden is old, but so is Trump, you [00:04:00] know, and to be perfectly honest with you, I like the job that Biden has done, but I think it would have been nice if he had just been a caretaker president for one term and then stepped aside and let's, you know, it's time for new blood.
And if it weren't for trump's, you know ego, uh, he would have done the same thing But he didn't give a damn about the good of the republican party. He just doesn't he never has it's all about him And when they say that democracy is on the ballot this november, you know, that's not hyperbole It really is, you know when you have a man who is an authoritarian when you have a man who says Says out loud that he's going to be a dictator for a day if he's elected Okay, first of all, does any dictator ever go i'm just gonna do it for a day You Now step aside.
No, you know, I'll let democracy do what democracy does. Has anybody, any dictator ever done that in the history of the world? No, of course not. And among the first things he's going to do, he says, is to release all of the rioters from January 6th. [00:05:00] I mean, this just scares the hell out of me. It really does.
And they say that, you know, if this in theory, this may be the last free election we have in this country. And again, I'm not being hyperbolic, you know, he didn't leave before. He's talked about suspending the constitution. He didn't want to leave before when he lost. You think he's going to leave now? If, you know, when, when is, when his second term is up and constitutionally, he can't run again.
You think he's going, he's just going to quietly walk away and thank everybody. You know, it's frightening. It's just frightening and the antics that we're going to see over the course of the next several months, uh, I'm just, I'm exhausted already. You know, we were just recovering from 2020. So we will be, uh, keeping an eye on this, of course, and we'll be in the months to come.
We'll be talking about the weekly or daily scandal or weekly or daily outrage, um, as, uh, as we get closer to the election. So, uh, be sure to listen to us every single week here at Copeland's Corner or watch us [00:06:00] on the YouTube show.
This is the part of the podcast that we call Headliners on the Headlines. Joining us this week is Lauren Mayer and Don Reed. Welcome both of you. Thanks for coming back. Thanks for having me. So, um, let's just jump right in. Um, we, nothing's been happening in the news though. No, nothing, nothing at all. Let's see.
So Trump has a clinched the nomination and Biden has clinched the nomination. And I'm just, yeah, I'm already exhausted. I'm just like, Oh, you can't get exhausted. Ah, this is going to be such a shit show. I mean, it just is. I mean, you know that it is, you know, that, that Trump is going to say or do something every single day between now and November that reasonable people are going to [00:07:00] find just outrageous and disgusting.
And, um, those who are in the cult, those who have drank the Kool Aid. Are going to cheer him on. In fact, let's go ahead and start with, um, with this. Um, okay. You know, the Katie Britt disaster. Did you, I'm sure that you both saw this by now. I
Don Reed: just watched it. Did you watch her? Did you watch
Lauren Mayer: the SNL one?
Host Brian Copeland: Or did you watch it?
I saw both. Oh my gosh. Did you see what? Yeah, so, okay. So here's the thing. You know, she is, uh, is fundraising off of the, the off of, uh, the, the backlash. Um, she has, she sent out a fundraising email, uh, this week that says that her heart is broken for all of the people she was speaking for because of the way that, that she's being treated by the media and by the liberals, [00:08:00] you know, everything else.
You know, and so here's the worst part of it is, it's gonna work. It's gonna work. You know, they do this is what the republicans do. They do something, you know, you know, like what she did was outrageous, you know, to take a story of a woman who was trafficked as a child and completely lie about it and then use it and use it for political purposes.
Then when she gets caught. When she gets caught rather than saying, yeah, okay, I'm sorry. That was the wrong thing to do. She doubles down and says she didn't do anything wrong. And she
Lauren Mayer: makes it, but that's classic GOP playbook to make yourself the victim. But the best part is it didn't even work completely with the GOP.
I mean, she'll raise money cause there are idiots out there, but, um, did you see, there was a clip going around. I think it was OAN. Some really, really right wing network and their anchors were watching this and they finished it. And for, like, more than a minute, they were silent. They were, uh, huh? Huh? [00:09:00] That couldn't say anything.
And it wasn't even about the lie. It was about maybe it wasn't such a good idea to put her in the kitchen. And there was something about, I mean, it was, somebody said it was like, she was, um, she was auditioning for the role of Reno, sweetie, but doing the dead Emily monologue from our town because she was smiling and crying at the same time.
So, I mean, if her delivery had been better, and it, and the lie was just as bad, they would have bought it, but they were upset with her acting.
Don Reed: The issue I'm finding is the doubling down. I mean, what world are we living in when it's clearly established you lied or did some chess moves with the truth on a huge level wherever you can see, and then you stick down and then people back you up on that.
Yeah. Yeah. That's the most insane to me. The doubling down with force. And then getting all support [00:10:00] from, uh, you know, a group of people, that's
Host Brian Copeland: all out of Trump's playbook, uh, because, you know, he was taught by Roy Cohn, his mentor, or, you know, who worked with Justin McCarthy, you know, the red Hunter and, uh, you never apologize.
You never admit that you were wrong. You just, you know, you doubled out and then, you know, they're doing the same thing with January 6th. You know, we all saw it. It's on video, but nope. Nope. It was a peaceful, peaceful
Lauren Mayer: demonstration or just tourists at the Capitol. Well, what's interesting though, with the Katie Britt thing, going back to that.
The woman she talked about has now come out publicly and said, you've misrepresented me. You misrepresented my story. It wasn't a cartel. It was just Mexican pimps who trafficked her. And how dare you use me? I don't want either party using me politically, but you used me and misrepresented me. And that, I mean, she can still present herself as a victim and claim that the media is, you know, being mean to her.
But you kind of, you know, if you're going to tell a story about a [00:11:00] person and you misrepresent them and they object, that's kind of hard to talk your way out of.
Don Reed: But that's the crazy thing, what they'll do is say Biden got a hold of her and told her she needed to back up the orchestrated story. And also, on the other hand, that's an AI woman.
She's not even real. Like Trump
Lauren Mayer: saying it's yeah, like Trump saying that the video of him looking cognitively impaired is an AI fake.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah, that well, that's what he said on True Social. I know if you watch any of the hearings, any of the Robert Herr hearings, where the Democrats were showing the montages.
Of, of Trump seeking and forgetting things and being incoherent. And, uh, he, he ranted on true social that it was all done with AI. Here's the problem. You know, how worried and concerned are you about AI in this election? I mean, because you, it's so good. It's in a lot of cases, you really can't tell you really, I didn't know that, that I, [00:12:00] well, I'll tell you about the, the, the, the, um, the, the.
Picture going around the Trump. Have you seen the picture of Trump with all the African Americans surrounding him? When I first saw it, I thought, no, no, this isn't right. That's good. You look at it as good. You know, you can't, I'm looking to try to see, you know, with a magnified glass, you know, on screen.
Yeah, it's gotta be because Trump doesn't even know that many black
Lauren Mayer: people. Well, I said, like, you can't tell what's real and what's not like when I heard Jimmy Kimmel read that tweet, I thought, oh, they've got some good writers on staff until you find out it was a real tweet from Trump at the Oscars. I mean, I am worried, but fortunately.
I mean, it's insane, but some of the stuff that Trump is taking credit for, like claiming credit for getting rid of Roe versus Wade, saying he's going to cut social security. I mean, he's saying stuff and campaigning on stuff that is so distasteful to the majority of the American public that even with all the other craziness, I feel pretty [00:13:00] reassured that they're going to say, wait a second.
I don't want my social security cut. So, yeah. Well,
Host Brian Copeland: and they attacked the A A RP, I dunno if Oh yeah. It's the most evil organization. They attacked. They attacked the A A RP at, uh, what, what, what's the name of that? Of that conservative gathering? cpac. That cpac, yeah. That they're like the most dangerous workers.
The most.
Lauren Mayer: We're all terror. Well, you guys, are you old enough to be the A RPI am. I'm in it. I'm an A A RP member. Yeah, we're horrible. We're plotting the overthrow of the country, I guess. . Yeah.
Host Brian Copeland: Tanya, something you were gonna say. Sorry.
Don Reed: Um, it was about the, uh, the, the brothers behind Trump, . I know three of 'em and they weren't there.
Lauren Mayer: was that like one of those stock photos that they stuck him into? Because it almost looked like a photo from, you know, like a photo frame photo, like those stock photos. I have no idea.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah. Yeah. Now that I think about it, it looks like it could have been, it very well could have been, you know, [00:14:00] so, uh, it's, it's just, I'm just not never, not that I'm ever really looking forward to a presidential campaign because they, they do get nasty, but it's, it's just, this is just so different.
It's just so different. And, you know, I was talking at the, at the, before you guys came on about this, you know, what kind of amnesia do we have in this country where we don't remember what it was like before? Why the hell is this even close? You know, but it's very close. It's within a couple of points right now on that.
But again, fortunately the election is not right now. So hopefully, you know, things they'll, there will be some, some separation, but four years ago, I was locked in my house. I don't know about it. I don't know about everybody who's saying, well, aren't we better off now? I want you better off then rather.
Yeah,
Don Reed: well, fortunately, there are other thing you were saying, but, um, jumping too far, but, um, can the electoral college screw this thing up? Cause I know boats are going to be, but I have any doubt about that, particularly with things like, [00:15:00] um, highly Jenner and some of the big rappers making voting very, very cool.
So I know those numbers are going to be Taylor Swift. Exactly. Yeah. But in the electoral college still screwed that up.
Lauren Mayer: Yes. Yeah, they did. Yeah. You
Host Brian Copeland: got to remember he hasn't won the, the, uh, the popular vote. Um, either time he ran the time he won or the time he lost. And I'm talking like, what was it? What was the number?
7 million or something? 7 million. I think. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, in, in, in 2020 and it was 3 million in 2016, 2016. So, you know, um, I think we need to get rid of the electoral, it'll never happen. It will never I can tell you unequivocally it will never happen because those those smaller red states Are not we have to we have to to to amend the constitution which means that two thirds of the congress and two thirds of the of the of the uh, The states have to go along and those red those red [00:16:00] states are not going to go along
Lauren Mayer: They're just two thirds of the congress can't agree on on what day of the week it is So that's the but the one thing I was starting to say that it was a little reassuring You Was seeing how combative Biden was in the State of the Union speech.
It was like, the more they heckled him, the more he seemed to derive strength from it. And, and just like with Trump, with the Oscars, they are playing right into Democrats strengths. And Biden looked like, I mean, the more, the ruder they were, the more he was smiling. That was really reassuring. And they are.
You know, they, they don't know what to do with the whole thing with now IVF is they, how do you reconcile IVF with fetal personhood? I mean, and they're fighting amongst themselves and, and they'll, they're, they're going to be down one more seat in Congress. And Ken Buck,
Don Reed: Buck just bolted.
Lauren Mayer: Yeah, he just bolted.
And,
Host Brian Copeland: you know, and I don't blame him. I mean, he's not getting anything
Lauren Mayer: done.
Host Brian Copeland: They're not getting anything done.
Lauren Mayer: He's complaining on the way out. He's not [00:17:00] going gracefully, which is good
Host Brian Copeland: or quietly. Yeah. Or quietly. Yeah. Um, you know, it's just, as I said, it's, it's just insane. And it, and it just scares me. It scares me what, what can happen because he's going to be more, if he gets elected again, he's going to be way more dangerous than he was the first time, because at least the first time he had some people who had some, uh, some common sense, among other things, who, who restrained him from his way and held him back, you know, with his contained his worst impulses, but, but he will, who, Uh, put loyalists in every single, uh, appointment, there will be an, a loyalist in every single appointment that he makes somebody who will go along with him and go in lockstep.
And that's what makes this so scary. He was
Don Reed: exponentially, uh, shifting. He started wondering if he could do the loyalist chess move. He was wondering about it and he started doing it, but step by step he'll come in full blast with that. [00:18:00] You know, playbook of like, get the loyalists in immediately everywhere,
Lauren Mayer: right?
But look what he's doing to the Republican national committee. There's going to be no money for any down ticket races. So even if he gets all of his loyalists, at least I think he's going to lose the house and the Senate because they've already fired anybody in the RNC or they're laying off anybody in the RNC who isn't a complete Trump loyalist.
And Laura Trump has already said their only real priority is paying his legal bills. So I have a feeling they're going to bankrupt the RNC and they won't have any money for the damn ticket candidates.
Host Brian Copeland: No, they probably won't. They probably won't. And that's another thing I don't understand. Well, again, it's, it's, it's all about being in a cult.
You know, why would you say, why would you as a working class person, and that's a lot of his support comes from working class people, you know, people who are struggling, people who are, you know, uh, live in month to month or week to week in some cases, why would you take your hard earned money? And give it to a, to give it to a billionaire [00:19:00] to pay his legal bills or, or give it to a billionaire to help him run for office.
He supposedly, you know, the first time he wasn't going to take any money. He's a billionaire. He says he can pay for it all himself. And it was, that was like everything else. Most things was a lie. It was a flat out lie.
Lauren Mayer: Picked him to aspire to and not Mitt Romney or, you know, there's so many other Republicans whose policies I thoroughly disagreed with.
It's like, it was almost like they engineered the worst possible person in terms of his morals, his business, his articulateness. I don't know. I think it's mind boggling why anybody could be a Republican anymore.
Host Brian Copeland: So a great quote today. A great tweet today. Um, this is Liz Cheney and she tweeted out today.
If your response to Trump's assault on our democracy is to lie and cover up what he did, attack the brave men and women who came forward with the truth. And defend the criminals who [00:20:00] violently assaulted the Capitol. You need to rethink whose side you're on hint. It's not America's now. I agree with Liz Cheney about nothing, nothing.
And the way she's conducted herself, you know, she's really one of the only profiles in courage that, that, that, that. We had to watch. Had to watch it.
Lauren Mayer: Exactly. And I
Host Brian Copeland: agree with her on absolutely nothing, but I will tell you, I, I believe the woman has integrity. I look at her in an entirely different light now.
Lauren Mayer: Exactly. And, and she has changed her mind on things. I mean, it took having a gay sister for her to come around on LGBTQ rights, but at least she was someone you could disagree with on everything. Policy, but could respect as at least being sane. I mean, yeah, the
Host Brian Copeland: days of agreeing to disagree or over, you know, that absolute thing is, you know, your, your opponent, it was, and it seems the thing is, this carries over into everything.
Your opponent was not [00:21:00] necessarily your enemy. That's the whole thing. Now, if you know, you could before you could agree to disagree about certain things. It's like, okay, I don't agree with you on this, but you know, yeah, that's kind of how it is. I don't hold this against you personally. We just disagree about this issue and that's fine.
Now is if you disagree, you are the enemy.
Lauren Mayer: Not only the enemy, you are Satan. I mean, you are, if you are a member of the AARP, you are, you are evil. And we are scientists and saying that we're saying they're nuts, but we're not saying they are coming from Satan. You know, it's like the halftime show was Satanist and the Oscar.
What's the guy, John, how do you pronounce his name? The comedian who came out naked at the Oscars to present the costume award. Oh, be still my beating heart. Um, you know that that was somehow Satan Emasculating men. Did you see that one? ? It's like, first of all, that was the least emasculated man I've ever [00:22:00] seen on national tv.
Host Brian Copeland: on Bob National tv. Yeah. Um, so today the house voted 352 to 65 talking about bipartisan. You know, how, how, how much legislation do you see go through the house with a 3 52 to 65 vote? You know what they voted on? Tick tock. Very good. Seriously. It was, they voted already. 3 52 to 65 to ban tick tock in the United States.
And if the bill becomes law, what will happen is that unless the company that owned the Chinese company that owns tick tock divest itself within the next 5 months, unless they sell it to an American company, it is banned. It will be banned in the U. S. if it becomes law. So now it's got to go to the Senate.
You've got to go to, it's got to come to the Senate. How will, how do they ban it? Um, what they do is they make it illegal to, uh, to have their, uh, their app in any of the app stores and illegal violation of federal law for any of the hosting platforms to host [00:23:00] TikTok. And so that's how they do it. And apparently there are a bunch of countries that have banned it.
I wasn't aware until I started reading on this this morning. Australia. The EU, Britain, Canada, uh, uh, Taiwan, there are several countries and the reason definitely Taiwan, but the reason being is because the way that tick talk, the algorithm collects information on people to know, you know, what videos to show you can be used to, um, to influence.
That can be used as a propaganda tool or to influence Americans by knowing how Americans think based upon what they're putting on tick tock, you know, what kind of information tick tocks collecting and like the other social media. Things aren't already doing that. I know. I hear you,
Don Reed: you know, they don't, uh, allow, like in China, they don't allow, um, the algorithm to present.
Most of the dumbed down stuff that America [00:24:00] receives in their feed, they're receiving things about education, uh, motivation and things like that. But a lot of the other, uh, like, central things are goofy or people doing pranks. It doesn't even reach through. So really the part of the design is to dumb down America keep watching dance videos while we're educating our youth
Lauren Mayer: They don't need much help dumbing down America.
Host Brian Copeland: No, not at all. Not these days. They don't So so it's passed overwhelmingly in the house Uh, and the Republicans have gone against Trump on this because Trump tried to ban it himself unilaterally with an executive order in 2020, he tried to ban Tik TOK and then the court stopped him, said he couldn't, said that he couldn't unilaterally do it.
Uh, and that, so he was for banning it until he had a billionaire investor. A billionaire investor tomorrow logo. Now he's like, well, you know, he's backtracking going, it's only going to help [00:25:00] Facebook, it's only going to help Facebook. So, you know, maybe there's, you know, there's some reasons and out of the, uh, the 65 who voted, uh, voted no on this, um, what makes a real good point is that you're going to hurt a lot of people whose livelihood depends on TikTok.
You know, these TikTok influencers who are making, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, uh, based on TikTok are financially
Lauren Mayer: going to be hurt. And you're going to hurt parents who now suddenly have to deal with all their whiny children with nothing to do. Yeah. They'll actually have to talk to them.
Yeah. I mean, I think that a lot of. Social evils are happening because kids are on their devices all the time, but I wouldn't want to have teenage kids right now who were suddenly cut off from tick tock. That would be really not fun.
Host Brian Copeland: Well, it's going to be interesting to see whether or not it becomes law because Biden says that he'll sign it.
If it gets to his desk, he'll sign it, but we don't know what's going to happen in the Senate because Chuck Schumer won't declare either way, which side he's [00:26:00] on and whether or not he'll even bring it up for a vote in the Senate. So it could die there. It could be, but if it's, if it's a threat to national security, how do you not, I mean, we're giving information to the Chinese, the communist China, how can we not, you know, ban it?
So we'll see. We will see. So they're
Lauren Mayer: going to vote to ban it. But meanwhile, Trump, who probably owns Billions of dollars to the Chinese and Ivanka has all their trademarks there. Somehow that's okay.
Host Brian Copeland: Now there's a lot. Let's see what else in it is today. Um, the, uh, the Michigan school shooter, Ethan crumbly, whose mother was, uh, convicted of involuntary manslaughter.
Uh, last month, I think it was, uh, by a Michigan court for, uh, shooting that, uh, that, that, uh, Ethan did in a school shooting in November of 2021, right? Uh, shortly after, after Thanksgiving. And he used a [00:27:00] gun, a semi automatic handgun that his father had given him as an early Christmas present. And so their parents were on trial because, uh, The, the conventional wisdom is that they should have stopped it.
They should have seen this was coming. They shouldn't have given this kid a gun. First of all, second of all, he had mental health issues and, uh, there are messages that he sent to people in tweets that, uh, that, that he apparently sent out saying that he has asked his parents to get him help. And his dad told him just to suck it up.
He didn't need to see a therapist, didn't need to get help just to suck it up. And on the day of the shooting, uh, his math teacher was looking at his homework and saw a drawing of somebody with a gun and somebody with a gun and somebody who'd been shot on, on the math homework. So the school calls the parents in and the parents, Uh, don't do anything [00:28:00] quite frankly.
They don't take him out of school. They don't take him home. They don't tell the school that he has access to a gun. No, no, they don't. So later on he comes back and he kills four people. So the, so the mother was, was convicted and the father today, closing arguments are today, today being Wednesday when we're recording this.
And, uh, the father is not testifying in his own defense. Uh, the mother did testify and, and, uh, people, analysts were saying that she did more herself, more harm than good. So he's not going to testify. Uh, so the, the, the question is, I guess I got two questions. Number one, do you think the parents should be held responsible for this?
And number two, um, Ethan, the shooter who obviously had some serious mental health issues. You know, when you look at some of the stuff, this guy, this kid was, was, uh, some of the texts he was sending to his friends, you know, where he's, he's talking about, uh, you know, shooting people. And if he had a, a gun, he'd shoot up to school and things like that.
Uh, you know, he, no, he had serious mental health issues. He pled guilty and is doing life without parole. [00:29:00] Does he belong in prison or does he belong in a psychiatric hospital? They got to
Don Reed: begin the steps of accountability. With parents, since it's happening so often, and since the repercussions are only hitting the shooter, the assailant, perhaps even a small percentage can be dipped down.
If people know you as a parent will be held responsible, you can be held responsible. Even if that hits 7%. Maybe it doesn't make the 50 percentile or 60 percent then even 7%, 10 percent is some live stage. So I say
Lauren Mayer: with the numbers 1%, so I definitely agree that it's a, you know, you got to be super careful with assigning all blame to parents, but in this, and was this the case?
I'm mixing up my school shooters, which is a common thing in this country is not also the 1 where the mother was too busy. [00:30:00] Having an affair and she was, yeah, but I mean, that any parent buys a gun for kids. I mean, yeah, exactly which parent having an affair with, with which school shooter parent. I mean, it's, um, but this is also, I mean, the same people who say everybody has a right to a gun are also the ones I just saw.
Was it? Someplace in the South, a father just got the courts, maybe Texas to approve that birth control could not be given without parental permission because he swore he would keep his daughters from having any access to contraception until they were 18 so that they wouldn't have sex. Yeah. Right. But that always works great.
Um, but that the courts, at least in Texas, I think it was declared that No minor can have access to birth control without parental permission. So if they can't have birth control, they all, I mean, if they're too immature for birth control, they're too immature for guns. And I think, and to answer [00:31:00] your second question about whether this kid needs mental health, and they say, yes, I, I definitely believe.
He should be getting as opposed
Host Brian Copeland: as opposed as opposed to and I'll tell you, I mean, I think he should be held accountable. However, you know, the, the, I guess that the, the, the bar is whether or not he knew the difference between right and wrong. You know, if you are, if you don't know the difference between right and wrong, and you can't tell that what you're doing, you're so ill that you can't tell that what you're doing is wrong.
Generally, you know, you are not guilty by reason of insanity, but he played guilty.
Lauren Mayer: Right. And he didn't play guilty by reason of insanity. I think there's an But I mean, he didn't plead insane. He didn't, no, no,
Host Brian Copeland: he just came in and there's
Lauren Mayer: a gray area in between. And this kid is a minor and not fully 15. I mean, not even like,
Host Brian Copeland: yeah.
Lauren Mayer: Um, but again, [00:32:00] it's just mind boggling that these parents. You know, you have to get a supposedly get a license to get a gun. You have to get a license to drive a car. You don't have to get a license to procreate. And there are so many horrible parents making horrible decisions, which is bad enough on their own kids.
But when you give that kid a weapon that he can go kill other kids with, then those parents are responsible at least in part. Yes, it's
Don Reed: a stretch. It's a big stretch, but I have family members over time who've dealt with bipolar issues, things of that nature. I, I think this is a big stretch, but I think it should be kind of a gap person by that.
I mean, perhaps if the teacher sees. Violent writings on math homework, then they can turn that into a onsite or community therapist, and that therapist can take action with authorities over the parents to temporarily [00:33:00] put that child in custody.
Host Brian Copeland: Right.
Don Reed: And then you're
Host Brian Copeland: talking about arresting somebody, arresting, arresting a kid for something.
He drew
Don Reed: violent pictures and having any kind of a record of commenting. I'll shoot this place up 1 day and drawings should be grounds for at least an evaluation. Yeah.
Host Brian Copeland: I agree with that. I know my son
Don Reed: never did anything like
Host Brian Copeland: that. I was going to ask you guys, cause we're all, we're all parents here with, with our kids are all grown, but when you, when they were children, when they were teenagers, did you know what was going on in their, in their rooms?
Cause I looked at like, you know, when you read about Columbine and how, how those, those kids were building like pipe bombs and stuff in their bedrooms and the parents had no idea. Yeah. I, I don't think my kid would have been able to build, however, you know, it's like, my whole thing about going in the rooms was as long as you kept the rooms clean, as [00:34:00] long as they weren't giving me any trouble otherwise, or any reason to, otherwise I would never go in and go do your things.
Lauren Mayer: And I never, I never had to know. But they, I mean, same thing. My kids knew if I had any, and of course, my kids were so nerdy and square that, you know, nobody would have sold them drugs, even if they wanted to buy them. Um, but I, but they knew if they, you know, even if it was things like they were supposed to be doing homework, and I thought they were playing on their Nintendo game boys or something, because we didn't even have computers in their rooms.
They knew they would lose the right to privacy. Right. And, you know, for these, Besides, if they were cooking up bombs, you'd think you would smell something worse than the normal teenage body odor coming out of their rooms,
Don Reed: you would think. The brooding, dramatic energy would be a red flag for me.
Lauren Mayer: Yeah.
Don Reed: The death silence, I'm done with dinner, and going straight to their room and including themselves would be a major red flag for me.
And with all the mental health issues and all the shootings, any [00:35:00] parent. That's too busy bonking the neighbor to notice their kid is in some kind of, um, unstable state need some time themselves
Host Brian Copeland: when the kid tells you, I need help. Right. And instead of getting them help, you get him a gun and tell him to suck it up.
I mean, that just makes no sense.
Don Reed: Give them a
Host Brian Copeland: Christmas, suck it up. Yeah, exactly. Very good. I listen to all radio. I'm a big fan of old time radio and there is an episode of dragnet from 1949. A very famous episode called, um, 22 rifle for Christmas. And it's about a, a fall and it's, you know, those stories on drag that were true.
They were true stories. So this, this is an old. So what it's about is, is, uh, it's a, it's a dad who gives his nine year old, it's a 22 rifle. Or Christmas doesn't give it to him, but they buys it to give them a Christmas wraps it up, puts it in the closet, the kids [00:36:00] snooping around, looking for Christmas gifts, finds it, takes it, loads it, and then he and the neighbor kid go out and play with it.
And they, and the neighbor kid trips, the gun goes off and gets them in the heart and kills. And so the whole moral of it is, is that it's illegal. Then they say it was illegal to, at least in Los Angeles, California to give a kid a gun. Like that and so so this is not anything new, you know, there's nothing new on the design This is 1949 the people were doing this and it was illegal, you know, because she's getting hurt so shifting gears Kelly Rizzo Bob Saget's widow is being shamed all over social media because she's dating It's been a couple of years, right?
Uh, well, I believe it's been two. So she posted a video on TikTok, uh, explaining, look, you know, I waited 18 months.
Don Reed: It won't be up there long. Before I
Host Brian Copeland: started dating. 18 months. Pardon?
Don Reed: It won't be up there long. [00:37:00] Oh
Lauren Mayer: yeah, when it gets banned. Don't worry
Host Brian Copeland: about it. But she said she waited 18 months and it's like, you know, there's not anything wrong with the fact that she is going on with her life.
So do you think that she's doing anything that's disrespectful? Cause among the shaming is that it's completely disrespectful to Bob Saget for her to be going out with other men at this point. I mean, how long, how long is she supposed to, you know, she was going to
Lauren Mayer: convent. She's supposed to burn herself in.
I mean, I think that, well, the, I mean, not that it's, she, she's entitled to do whatever she wants. Of course she is. Did people find out because they were spying on her or was she doing a bunch of social media posting about her dates?
Host Brian Copeland: Not, I have no clue. But, uh, but people know and she's being, she's being shamed for it.
So what's the, what is the appropriate time that you think people should wait? Whatever
Lauren Mayer: the hell that they want, and I think the older you get, the shorter it is. I see these things like in advice columns, you know, my, my mother's only been gone 6 months and my 80 [00:38:00] year old father is already dating. Well, he may only have another couple of years.
How long do you want him to wait? Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think. My house is 80.
Host Brian Copeland: Where's an 80 year old getting women? That's
Lauren Mayer: my
Host Brian Copeland: question.
Lauren Mayer: Where's how's your 80 year old father? 80 year old. She got one 80 year old man and 20 women. He's going to be, I mean that the odds, the older you get, the more, the, the light, you know, there are a lot more older women than older men.
I mean, my ex was dating before the ink was dry on the divorce decree and I didn't think it was too soon. Well, that's different though.
Host Brian Copeland: Divorce is different, but in terms of death, you know, what, what is disrespectful? I remember somebody, um, yeah. Uh, I knew what I knew of, you know, it wasn't a friend, but an acquaintance whose, uh, whose husband was killed in an accident.
And she was married to another guy, like within six months. And it was kind of like, you know, you do what you want, but it's still, I don't know, there's something about that. Something about that bothering what my business didn't know. My mom was not my business, but you know, what, what would you consider?
So you consider no time to be disrespectful?
Lauren Mayer: [00:39:00] Well, no, it's not about respect. It's, I mean, every situation is so different. It's like, you can't make. Rules about it, because it also depends on where the marriage was, you know, if they were, I don't know, I just feel like if you say it's got to be at least a year, you can't I mean, it's, it just depends on the situation.
I also feel it's less about what's respectful and more what's good for. The new person I know for me, I wasn't ready to date till a good year and I, all I can speak of is divorce because I haven't been widowed, but I wasn't ready to date for a good year afterwards. And people were telling me after 2 months, I should get back out there.
I wasn't ready. I'm glad I waited. So I feel like, you know, my mom moved. Three months after my father died cross country was stupid and I, I just, you know, like you don't want to, I, the thing I had read is you don't want to make major life decisions for a year after death, just because you're not thinking clearly, but again,
Host Brian Copeland: you're clouding
Don Reed: done.
Look at this. [00:40:00] Okay, so I, I've always, um, thought myself involved enough to tell. And if something happens to me, find your joy. As soon as you can, I've said that to him, but also you didn't
Host Brian Copeland: mean
Don Reed: it. But here's a situation I was in that didn't involve actual death, but here's what happened. I said to a woman I was seeing, we're very serious.
I said, I want you to know that if anything ever happens to me where I'm incapacitated, like, I'm in a wheelchair and steering it with a straw, you know, go ahead and start dating. Go out, get busy. Have fun. If I'm incapacitated, I'm a quadriplegic. Go ahead and have fun. She said, you just said that. So you can get down.
Lauren Mayer: Was she right? Yeah. It was, it was right,
Don Reed: but I would accept her going to have fun. I really will. I can't do anything for you. Please [00:41:00] enjoy yourself. How selfish can you be?
Host Brian Copeland: What was that case? Oh, God, years ago, like, maybe 15 years ago, or it might even be 20 with the, uh, uh, the woman who had been in, in, in a vegetative state.
For like years and it may be, she became a conservative costume. I can't think of her name because what the deal was is that she was on a machine and she was brain dead and, and, uh, her husband, you know, had another woman and had kids with the other woman. Cause it was like years and her parents, it was her, it was her parents who wanted to keep her alive and said that she was still alive in there and he wanted to pull the plug.
And so they were like, and Warren, the courts over this, right. And they were sharing. Yeah. Yeah. And her husband had, had moved on. Her husband had, had moved on with
Lauren Mayer: another family. And didn't she also, she didn't have it written, which at least he claimed she had told him, don't ever keep me in this just on the vegetable state.
Like it was her [00:42:00] wish not to be kept alive.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah, that was exactly. And her parents just, you know, fought and fought and fought and fought and fought. And the way it ended up was they did pull the plug and there was an autopsy and the autopsy was done. Yeah. She had been dead the whole time. She really was, she was breathing, but, but, uh, I guess her heart was beating, had to have been, uh, but, but she was, she was clinically dead.
Yeah. So, uh, but there were people who were really shaming his husband, you know, saying that, you know, your wife's still alive and here you are with another woman and a whole nother family with another woman in the whole thing. It's like, you know, come on. At what point do you say,
Don Reed: I think the key is don't go out dancing cause that's too much joy.
Lauren Mayer: And don't post it on tick tock.
Don Reed: Exactly. It can't be. My wife's in the hospital. You can't
Lauren Mayer: depends on how aware the person is. I mean, Don, if you were in a wheelchair, but had all your mental faculties, and you saw the woman you were seeing out partying, and you were fully capable of seeing it and talking to her [00:43:00] about it.
I don't know if that would be a little different.
Don Reed: Oh, no, no, no, no, not at all. Not at all. Not at all. I'm 100 percent sure of, of having in the real sense, incapable. Uh, bringing that kind of physical joy to your partner, how would you, why would you want to hold that back and say, I'm upset. I'm sad. Stick with me.
I can't do anything for you. That's not an involved person. See, that's why I love Christopher
Host Brian Copeland: Reeves wife, Christopher Reeves wife, Dana, because, you know, when he was paralyzed from the neck down, she was 100 percent there. And she was talking about them even having more children. They had a young son when he quadriplegics
Lauren Mayer: are not necessarily completely incapable of providing pleasure.
And I don't know, there's,
Host Brian Copeland: there's a, uh, well, she'd said that there was, I guess that he, how does she put it that he had some kind, he would periodically have some kind of a reflexes. If something's how she put it, yeah. Yeah. She's real vague about it, but, but she didn't go over and run off. You know, she didn't go around for some,
Lauren Mayer: frankly, I'm not going [00:44:00] out dancing with my husband all that often.
Most of the joy that we have is just talking to each other. And he can do that if he was in a wheelchair. Yeah, that's what talking
all your marriage has
Host Brian Copeland: deteriorated to that point.
Lauren Mayer: My sixties, so let's just say, you know, I mean, yeah, what you are 64.
Don Reed: Yeah.
Lauren Mayer: I'm 65. I'm, I'm the elder Stateswoman here. Hey, you guys, what was Vietnam? I think 68. What, what, what was, what was it? I have to, I have to explain my husband. My husband is your age, Brian. I think he's 50, he's 58 and he, he doesn't remember Watergate.
So I had to explain what Watergate was. I remember
Host Brian Copeland: Watergate and I've seen enough, you know, I've seen enough stuff about Watergate after the fact.
Lauren Mayer: Yeah. I also, my joke with him is I had to tell him that actually Paul McCartney was in a [00:45:00] band that was pretty good before wings. Cause he actually did. He learned Paul McCartney from wings.
Because
Host Brian Copeland: I just found out, by the way, you know, I'm doing the, um, I have a part in the new Spinal Tap movie.
Lauren Mayer: I know,
Don Reed: I saw that. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Well, hold on. What? So show are you
Host Brian Copeland: No, no, no. Hold on. Brian. Brian, I got, I got a part in the new, in the new Are you, you're not the drummer, are you? No, no, no, no, no.
Shoot, I, I shoot in a couple of weeks. Uh, and, uh, I, but I just, they just announced, uh, all the cameos they got and so McCartney's gonna be in it, McCartney's in it. Whatcha talking about?
Don Reed: Hold on, let's focus here. You are gonna be in the next Vinyl tap movie. For real? Yeah. You didn't see it
Lauren Mayer: on, on Facebook or Twitter or someplace that
Host Brian Copeland: I, I, I'm, I'm working on another project with Rob Reiner and he, uh, he auditioned me for Are you playing?
I can't say, I'm not allowed to say I'm serious. I'm not allowed. I'm, I'm not allowed to say they started shooting. So they started shooting last week in New Orleans. [00:46:00] And, uh, and I go in a couple of weeks, uh, to, to do my part, I'm there for just a couple of days. When does it come out?
Don Reed: I just got elevated in my role by 9 miles.
You can take advantage of anything you need in my life. That is legendary.
Host Brian Copeland: I love it. It's very, very cool because, um, the way that it works and because the audition was mostly ad lib because the, the whole movie's ad lib, but that's how they got the first one. What they do is they, they write out a story.
It's like, uh, Rob Reiner and, and, and, uh, Christopher Guest. And I'd say, I think all the guys, um, I think Harry Shearer and Michael McKee and also contribute to the story. And they come up with a story and it's seen by scene is a paragraph. Here's what happens in the scene. Same way they do curb your enthusiasts.
Here's what happens in the scene. And then it's all ad libbed as long as you end up, you know, want you to end up at a certain place. And so that's, you know, that's how I auditioned and that's what my scene was. They liked my [00:47:00] audition and, and I got it. Crazy. Yeah. I was reading in variety though. Who else is in it?
McCartney's in it. Elton John is in it. Um, Garth Brooks is in it. Trisha Yearwood. Uh, there are a couple of others. Ringo Starr. Ringo Starr is in it too. As a matter of fact. So, uh, not with me. They're not in the scene I'm doing. Oh, darn. That's what I was going to ask. If there's anybody good in your scene.
The scene that I'm in, it's just me and the band. It doesn't matter. That's why I had to audition with. But it's with them. It was intimidating as hell because the audition was, it was, it was Rob Reiner, uh, Harry Shearer, Christopher Guest and Michael McKeon, the band. And we did it over, over YouTube and I'm sorry, over zoom, excuse me.
We did it over zoom and, uh, and we just, you know, uh, Rob threw out what the situation was and said, okay. We're good. Talk. And so we just talked and we stat back and forth and I did a character that I came up with, uh, beforehand and, uh, they were laughing and, uh, and I got it. So that's, that's how we,
Lauren Mayer: I know this is, we're on [00:48:00] Zoom, but I feel like I wanna reach out through the screen and just breathe the air you breathe.
So, I mean, that's just like, that's, yeah, it's pretty cool. Cool. Is an understatement.
Host Brian Copeland: Here's the thing I'm putting in perspective though. Uh, I have read. That the original spinal tap I had to rewatch to before I auditioned, I watched it twice the night before twice the night before and it's like an hour and a half, maybe an hour and 40 minutes and then I read that they shot a hundred hours of footage.
They had a hundred hours of footage and they edited down to an hour and a half movie. So whether or not I actually end up being in it is another story. I'm in it, but if you shoot a hundred hours, that's a lot of stuff that got cut. There's a lot of stuff that didn't get used. If there's a hundred hours of footage shot and the movie itself is an hour and a half.
Don Reed: Okay. Well, here's the thing on story on story. Is the moment that you audition with about a transitional moment that can get yanked out? Because you've got the whole band and you're playing a manager type person or what? [00:49:00]
Host Brian Copeland: I can't say.
Don Reed: Oh, you couldn't tell me. Okay. I can't tell you
Host Brian Copeland: anything about
Don Reed: it.
Host Brian Copeland: Okay.
Don Reed: If it's a pivotal transition moment, you're going to need it. Right.
Host Brian Copeland: Well, um, I don't know if it's a pivotal transitional moment or not, but if it works out well, it'll be funny.
Lauren Mayer: I don't, I don't, I don't know. No, no, no. And you know, with that 100 hours, I wonder how much of the 98 and a half hours that got cut were other variations on scenes over the entire scenes and characters that didn't end up, I can
Host Brian Copeland: guarantee I can, I can guarantee.
Well, I was in the bucket list. And, and in the bucket list, um, we had a couple of, I played Morgan Freeman's younger son. He had two sons and a daughter in that movie. And, uh, I, I played the younger son and we had a couple of family seats where we're upset that, that, that he's running off with Jack Nichol.
He's dying and running off with Jack Nicholson around the world. And so we had a couple of family scenes and I had dialogue. We all had dialogue and, uh, When, when, uh, they were [00:50:00] editing and they tightened everything up, all our dialogue was cut. All our dialogue was cut. I'm in, I'm in three shots. I'm in a picture that he, that, uh, if Morgan shows to Nicholson in the hospital, I'm at a dinner table scene and I'm at a scene in the hospital when he dies and I hug my mother.
You know, I hugged my mother, but no, I don't say so, you know, we'll see bottom line is I'm just gonna have fun I'm just gonna go out
Lauren Mayer: but you get to be there with them and Adelaide and those guys are so tight with each other just So that's why I was
Host Brian Copeland: so scary That's why it was scary as hell because I was reading that they had been improv in together since like 1966, right?
You know Here I come You know, on radio, on stage, on film, and they've been doing this since 1966 together. And here I am, you know, so. Anyway, so that's it. Anyway, enough, enough about me. Speaking of which, by the way, I was, I didn't know that you, you have a Wikipedia entry, Don. I was, have you seen your Wikipedia?[00:51:00]
Yes, I have. Oh, okay. I, I didn't know. I was just checking last night. I was looking and I've got one too. I didn't know I was on his date. Don't get me anybody. Bottom line is apparently anybody can get one. Don's got one. I got one. I don't. Okay, almost anybody. Almost
Lauren Mayer: anybody.
Host Brian Copeland: But there's stuff about you in it, if it's accurate.
I didn't know. Were you on a different world?
Don Reed: I was told on a date that I had one. By a woman. I didn't know I had one. But she was like, you know, you got to wake up. I said, oh, I do. Is that going to help me out here?
Host Brian Copeland: Oh, so she like, check you out online before you went out?
Don Reed: I guess so. I never thought about
Host Brian Copeland: that.
Hey man,
Don Reed: what you talking about? Did it help though? Yeah, it absolutely helped. So, so let me see. Oh yeah, it definitely helps. I'll say it in that very white voice.
Lauren Mayer: But then do you also have to say in your same very white voice, just like Brian, I can't tell you any more about it.
Don Reed: Well, there you [00:52:00] go. I can't tell you nothing else about it, baby.
Host Brian Copeland: I just have to go to YouTube and pull up all the episodes of A Different World and look for you. And look, and look for you.
Don Reed: Look for Chip and Charles.
Host Brian Copeland: So is it, is it accurate? Is yours accurate?
Don Reed: Uh, no. Because they keep saying I was nominated for two Emmy Awards. And I wasn't, and a lot of people pull that out of that.
They say, you nominated for two Emmy awards. I've been to places and they'll say in the promo, uh, Emmy nominee is too late. I don't want to go listen, you need to change the promo. So not that. And I also had to do some interesting things of editing it because at one point it was really playing up my relationship with Cosby.
And that dynamic, so I said, how about a little less Cosby, a little more read,
Host Brian Copeland: you know, what's funny is I took him off all of my stuff. I was his opening act in the Bay area for [00:53:00] years, you know, um, when he'd come to town like two or three times a year, he'd do my radio show. And, and, uh, I would come, I would introduce him, you know, at, uh, at venues.
And I know that that stuff's off my resume. That's completely off, off of my resume.
Don Reed: Get that out of there. Yeah.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah. So I'll take the one that's fun is, um, is, uh, IMDb, you know, you look at my IMDb in trivia about the people and they don't vet that at all. And so I wanted to see if they were going to vet it.
So I put something on mine. If you go to my IMDb page, it says that I, before I became a comic, um, I was a youth boxer and I killed a man in the ring.
Lauren Mayer: You put that on
Host Brian Copeland: there? Yes, go look. It's still there. So Brian, what I wanted does my record? My record is there, my knockouts are there, and then I kill the man in the ring.
Lauren Mayer: So how does that work? How does that, how does that work for you on first dates?
Host Brian Copeland: As long as we're out of the ring, it's [00:54:00] fine. We don't know. This is crazy. Yeah, go look. Cause I'll put, yeah, anybody can put anything on there. Anybody can put absolutely anything on there. Speaking of boxing, I was listening to a local sports talk station and they were talking about how, when we were kids, remember how we always knew.
Who the heavyweight champion of the world was. We always have, it was Ali or George Foreman or Arlene or Frazier or whoever. We always knew. Okay. Who's who's champion right now.
Lauren Mayer: You're not asking me. I know nothing about sports. And when I was a kid, I didn't know who it was. So I certainly don't know who it is now.
You
Host Brian Copeland: gotta be kidding. You didn't know what Ali, you know, and you didn't have to know anything about sports, you know, who was the heavyweight. It's like knowing who the president was. You know, I was, I was
Lauren Mayer: a nerdy Jewish girl and I could have told you who the first violinist of the New York Philharmonic was in ABC
Don Reed: sports had the boxing matches.
So there's everybody.
Lauren Mayer: I wasn't [00:55:00] allowed to watch TV as a kid. My parents were super, super strict. So,
Host Brian Copeland: but now
Lauren Mayer: nobody just look like, yeah, but I agree with, you know, people do when they, I mean, I might not have known if he was the heavyweight championship title person, but I knew the name, but yeah, well, now
Host Brian Copeland: I can't tell you.
I have no idea. No clue. And that was that was the whole point is like how it's a sport that's dying. Um, it's a sport that really doesn't have a lot of as much public interest as it did. I mean, cause it was a huge thing to be, I guess what part of it is, is that it was, I guess there are three, three belts.
Is that right?
Don Reed: W W, uh, WBC. WBC, WBF World Boxing Federation,
Lauren Mayer: all the other weird ones to like, there's other kinds of, you know, mixed martial art diluted a lot. Those
Host Brian Copeland: are those are those are totally different. I'm saying
Lauren Mayer: just the [00:56:00] interest in that any kind of fight to be diluted
Don Reed: to boom in those areas and mixed martial arts.
UFC is massive. Yeah.
Host Brian Copeland: You know, where you can kick the guy as well as punch him and, and bite him and hit him with chair Don't, I can't believe people still watch wrestling.
Lauren Mayer: I know, right?
Host Brian Copeland: People know it's fake and they still watch wrestling. It's always been fake.
Lauren Mayer: Yeah.
Host Brian Copeland: You know. Well, it's performance. It's performance art.
It's, it's
Lauren Mayer: theater, it's interpretive dance at this point. It's theater . Yeah,
Don Reed: the rock history joint. The Rock just became a major owner in the wwf and it's really, and the numbers just skyrocketed. He's showing up as the rock just to say welcome. He's not even fighting and it's like the numbers are going through the roof.
Host Brian Copeland: Well, I'll tell you, um, when I was a kid, I used to watch his father, Rocky Johnson. His his father was my favorite wrestler. When I, when I was growing up,
Lauren Mayer: you
Host Brian Copeland: know, and I thought it [00:57:00] was real, you know, I was a kid. I didn't know. I thought, I, you know, I thought it was a real, you know, I thought that I didn't know that it was blood packs.
It was, that it was real blood that, you know, I thought was real blood coat out there coming out of their mouths. Speaking of, of, of wrestling, um, Robert Kennedy jr is talking about making Jesse Ventura his running mate. I
Lauren Mayer: thought it was going to be Aaron Rodgers. That's what I wanted. It's
Host Brian Copeland: one of the two Aaron Rodgers or Jesse Ventura, because he was such a good governor.
Lauren Mayer: and a paragon of intelligent governance.
Host Brian Copeland: I mean, that's just not, I mean, the whole thing. But Kennedy is just nuts. It's like you don't have a chance, you're not going to win. All you're gonna do is elect Trump. That's all you're gonna do. Well, actually, they're saying he
Lauren Mayer: may pull more votes from Trump than Biden.
So who knows? He's just,
Host Brian Copeland: why? 'cause the anti-vax. 'cause he's just, why? Because the anti-vax, because he's a big anti-vaxxer because
Lauren Mayer: of the anti-VAX stuff, and because his whole family has disavowed him. So, okay. So do you guys
Don Reed: know how long it's been since an [00:58:00] independent has won the presidency?
Host Brian Copeland: Independence never won the
Don Reed: president, George Washington was an independent.
Host Brian Copeland: Ah, okay. Okay. All right. No, it wasn't part. Wasn't he part of the, what was it? The federalist party? Were they
Lauren Mayer: even established at that point? I think, but I think wigs
Don Reed: and federalists and they establish that he was the 1st.
Independent in terms of the parties that were in place,
Host Brian Copeland: right? He was
Don Reed: he was independent. No, I can't. Well, no, because you've been screwing up. The flow,
Host Brian Copeland: you stay with your tribe that, you know, that, and that's why it's got to be interesting to see what happens. It's going to be interesting to see how this shakes out.
Um, we'll end it with this and i'll just ask you for a quick prediction. If you were going to predict today who's going to win if you had to predict today, you think so? Yeah,
Lauren Mayer: I
Host Brian Copeland: think [00:59:00] I'm not wishful thinking
Lauren Mayer: not wishful thinking not wishful thinking because I honestly think between the cases You And the financial problems and the stress of it.
I, I think that that's going to pull Trump down. I really do, or he'll have a stroke or something. He's already looking like there's some advanced dementia. Pretty honestly, and, um, and we're saying
Host Brian Copeland: the same thing about, I mean, but on the right to say the same thing about
Lauren Mayer: that, that he's an old man who occasionally stumbles over his word.
It was a lifelong starter. That's very different than somebody who can't tell the difference to Nikki Haley and Nancy Pelosi regularly and can't complete a sentence. But also his wife's name. Or, or think that she's that Jean Carol is Marla Maples, but also the cases look at all the cases. I'm sorry. I don't
Don Reed: know.
I like that. Your view of why he won't win is different from mine, which adds more chips and that is, um, Kylie [01:00:00] Jenner, little baby, Tyler Swift. Taylor Swift,
Host Brian Copeland: Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift. You just did that, you just did what Trump does. Yeah. You just did what Trump does. Tyler Swift. The other reason,
Lauren Mayer: I know her very well, I know her very well.
The other thing that makes me confident besides the, I agree, the celebrities is I have family members who are Trumpers and they are really sad because they're convinced that he won't win. That's pretty encouraging. If they're in the cult and they don't think he'll win. That's pretty encouraging.
Host Brian Copeland: Well, again, we'll, we'll see, you know, we'll see his diehards.
Well, here's the thing. Here's what the big fact that the big, um, one of the most important factors anyway, and that is that even the polls that have in the head, they, they, they then ask people if he's convicted of a felony before the election, will you still vote for him? And it's a, it's a small to moderate percentage of those voters say, no, they won't.
[01:01:00] Because then, then he's unfit. Then he's unfit. Right. If he's, if he's convicted. And so it was, so everybody's watching, going to be watching this trial in Manhattan, the hush money trials, stormy Daniels trial to find out, you know, what, see what's going on and what, what happens, because if he is in fact convicted, it's not, you know, most people won't even go to jail for something like that.
From what I understand, they'll get some kind of, you know, probation, that'd be a fine restitution and a bunch of other things. Prohibition for doing some kind of business or something like that. No, you know, most people don't go to jail for what he's, what he's charged with, but if he's convicted of it, uh, you know, there are, they say that's the best chance that he's, he's not going to win.
If in fact that, that does, if in fact it does happen and Rolling Stone's got an interesting piece today, uh, about how his lawyers are begging him to keep his mouth shut when, for this trial, begging him not to act like he acted in He's trial for fraud and where he's sitting there, you know, as people [01:02:00] testify, he's like throwing out comments and they go say stuff to the jury and then, and then comes out and has a press conference and, and, and badmouth the judge and badmouth the, uh, the attorney general of that.
The attorney general. Yeah. She's the attorney general. Yeah. And, uh, so they're saying, please, you know, this, it's not going to help you. He's not going to help you. Okay. Last question. Last question.
Lauren Mayer: Last
Host Brian Copeland: question.
Lauren Mayer: Last question. Bet. Bet. Do you think he does? Are you kidding? He just went out and defamed Eugene Carroll again after they went up from, what, a few million to 83 million and the judge said 91.
Host Brian Copeland: But it's all done. It's 91. It's 91 million. Is that right?
Lauren Mayer: Yeah. But he'll do it again. And the, the judge even said the reason the fi fine was so high was because we've gotta use it as deterrent. If he does it again, it will go up. Mm-Hmm. He can't keep
Don Reed: Snapchat. Okay. Did, so has he defamed against Yes. Again, 90 million.
Host Brian Copeland: Yes. Last weekend. Again, he called her, he claims it's a made up story. Yeah. He, he didn't mention her by [01:03:00] name. He didn't know her. He said he had to post a 91 million bond because some woman he didn't even know him is making up stories. And, and, uh,
Don Reed: it's going to go up then, right? Yeah.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah. Well, it depends if she sues again and legal analysts are saying, yeah, she can sue her
Don Reed: attorney.
Attorney wants that gate. Yeah, they said, um, there was a, I think it was the Atlantic wrote that this is a key person that the left should use because for some reason she really gets under Trump's skin for, for care. I
Host Brian Copeland: see. That's why they're scared about what's going to happen on what he's going to say in this, this New York criminal trial, because You know, if people he perceives as his enemies or who are his enemies, like Michael Cohen, uh, you know, my story Daniels, when they're on the stand, he's not going to be able to keep his mouth shut.
He's going to make comments. He's going to say something, you know, or he'll go on and in front of the camera and a microphone, and he'll say that they're liars or bad [01:04:00] mouth. Um, and. You know, I wouldn't touch her. She's not my type and all of this kind of stuff, you know, so maybe they'll be able to, to, to go after him for defamation.
So, but I don't know, I'm with you. I don't think he, I don't think he has self control. I do not think he has self control, you know, he may try for, you know, a couple hours on the first day,
Don Reed: you know,
Host Brian Copeland: we're out of time, Don, where are you playing?
Don Reed: Oh boy. Um, next Tuesday night. Um, Don Reed speak easy comedy night at, um, the max in Fairfax will have Mark Curry, who's on tour with Kat Williams and, uh, Diane Amos, the, uh, yeah, there next Tuesday, uh, Redwood nights on the 28th, uh, storytelling under the stars in Fairfax.
You got to do that show. Um, and then that's
Host Brian Copeland: California, by the way, we got listeners around the world, actually,
Don Reed: exactly, exactly, um, the one in Fairfax, California, and then, um, never [01:05:00] too late show coming in April to Deer Park, uh, Valley Theater nights. Um, I was doing that show that's part of the Johnny Carson estate and production company that I have a partnership with to tell this story about the importance of never giving up and it tracks my entertainment career.
Host Brian Copeland: That's a wonderful, wonderful show.
Lauren Mayer: And, and Lauren, well, now that Don has inspired me to never give up, I'm gonna start working on my Wikipedia page. , I'll be at the marsh on, uh, Monday the 18th as part of the Monday night Marsh Stream. Oh, you doing Monday night? March wind? Yeah, this coming Monday. Monday, March 18th.
Okay,
Don Reed: good.
Lauren Mayer: I'm the. I'm the third of three performers. Um, it's a very mixed bag. This is the second round of the same group that I'm doing. Don't mind me. I'll just sit here in the dark. My show about the Jewish mother stereotype. And this version is why non Jews might also be interested in it. And then the next day I'll be doing the show at the Broda Goldman [01:06:00] Plaza, home for Jewish seniors.
And, um, Um, putting up my, uh, YouTube videos every week on Psycho Supermom is my YouTube channel. And this week I'm doing one about how they keep lowering the bar for what the Republicans will put up with. And then in May, I'll be going to Denver for a fundraiser for Moms Demand Gun Sense, Moms Demand Gun Sense, um, and starting to do some political fundraisers.
So if anybody's doing any kind of fundraiser for a Nice liberal cause. I'm there and I probably have a song about it.
Host Brian Copeland: All right. And I got a couple of things coming up. Uh, it is the 20th anniversary of my very first solo show, not a genuine black man, the longest running solo show in San Francisco theater history.
And, uh, I'm doing a run at, uh, actually a number of places over the course of the next month for the anniversary and the 1000th performance. I've been a thousand shows. So, uh, this, this Saturday I will be in Alameda, California at the altar in a [01:07:00] playhouse with it. Uh, on Sunday I'll be at the marsh in Berkeley, California, uh, doing my show on depression, the waiting period.
I do it a couple of times a month free to the public, uh, as a suicide prevention tool. So, uh, if you, if you deal with depression, you know, somebody who does come on out, uh, I'll be in, uh, I'm sorry, I'll be at the Mars San Francisco with that this week, next week, next Sunday, week from this Sunday, I'll be at the Mars Berkeley with it and both performances are free to the public.
So come on out for that one. Uh, then a week from, uh, a week from this Saturday, I will be, uh, at, uh, Marin shakes Marin Shakespeare company, uh, with not a genuine black man. And then we'll be running on Saturdays at the Marsh San Francisco through May. Uh, so, so come on out. If you want more information, uh, you can go to briancopeland.
com. It's got all the places where I'm going to be. I also want to throw a quick plug. Yeah.
Don Reed: Yeah. DMV, your best of San Francisco solo series. I'm doing a DMV. I play nine characters waiting in line at the [01:08:00] department of motor vehicles at the Samuel, Samuel and Jill library. Through your series. Yes. 30th and
Host Brian Copeland: 31st.
Uh, also want to mention throw out as a quick plug. Um, I wrote my first crime novel during the, uh, during the shutdown and, uh, it is being published, uh, and it'll be available nationwide on April 23rd. It's good. I look, you can pre order it. For an Amazon, of course, and you can preorder it, uh, at Walmart's going to have it targets going to have it.
So it's going to be in all these places. So if you want to preorder, please do, you know, there's a link, go to ryancopeland. com. There's a link to click to, uh, to, uh, to pick it up. It's called outraged. It's, uh, it's, it's a crime thriller. That's going to be a series. Uh, I've already written the second book and the second book.
Wow. We'll cut book two comes out a year from, uh, from April. So the first book comes out next, next, uh, next month. And then the second book comes out in April of 2025. And that was called shadow justice. Yes. Don [01:09:00] Reed. both very much. It's always a pleasure to have you. Thanks so much. All right, that's gonna do it for us.
I will check you out next week unless I catch another one of these hundred viruses. Don't be kind to your neighbor. He knows where you live.