Guests this week: Greg Behrendt, Greg Proops & Tom Sawyer.
In this edition of 'Copeland's Corner,' Brian hosts Headliners on the Headliners with friends Greg Proops, Greg Behrendt, and Tom Sawyer. The discussion traverses a variety of topics such as political support for Trump despite controversies, misinformation affecting public opinion, and the implications of cult-like political followings on democracy. They also delve into the evolution of comedy, referencing how modern comedians navigate political correctness and woke culture. Additionally, they discuss challenges faced by figures in the public eye as exemplified by anecdotes from Hollywood and the responsibilities of those within the entertainment industry to address inappropriate behavior.
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EP187 - Copeland's Corner with Greg Behrendt, Greg Proops & Tom Sawyer
Host Brian Copeland: [00:00:00] Well, hello again. This is Brian Copeland talking. Welcome to another edition of Copeland's Corner. We got a great headliners on the headline segment for you today. Uh, we have Greg Proops, Greg Behrendt and uh, Tom Sawyer. Uh, we talked about a lot of things, man. We talked, we talk about why people, uh, still back Trump in spite of the fact that he's had all of the problems continues to lies in the eugenics and everything else we talk about the Garth Brooks situation, we talk about a lot of things, some are heavy, some are funny, but as always, it's informative.
So, uh, with that, here's headliners on the headlines. All right, guys, lots to talk about. Appreciate you being here. Uh, first of all, we found out where everybody is. Tom, I know you're in Marin. Um, uh, Greg Behrendt, where are you? I'm in studio city, Los Angeles. It's studio city down in LA and Gregory, are you on the [00:01:00] road with, uh, with whose line right now?
Greg Proops: I am, but I'm in Washington, Hollywood right now. And the pulsing throbbing epicenter of a baby killing celebrity.
Host Brian Copeland: Where, where are you going next? Where's the next place on the stop?
Greg Proops: I don't even want to tell you a place called New Philadelphia, Ohio. I don't know. And I don't care. Um, and then, uh, we're all over the Midwest and then, uh, then fantastically New York, uh, and then I go to Mexico to do nightmare before Christmas on Halloween in Monterey.
So I'm pretty excited. Oh, that's
Host Brian Copeland: awesome.
Greg Proops: Yeah,
Host Brian Copeland: uh, you know, you mentioned Ohio. I was, I was born in Akron, Ohio. Uh, we left, we escaped, I should say, I would say we left, no, we escaped when I was, when I was five years old. And actually I could, I can start with this. I was just reading that, um, in Ohio is a, has a Senate seat that is in, in jeopardy that the candidates, I think it's Sherrod Brown is down by like five points and 25 percent of the voters.
in [00:02:00] Ohio believe that Haitians are eating cats and dogs. 25%, a quarter of them. Um, can any of you explain this to me when there's been so much, um, information about the fact that this is misinformation when the, when the Republican mayor of the city has come out and said, you know, in papers and newspaper, don't listen to this.
It's not, first of all, they're not illegal. Number two, it's not true when a woman who's inadvertently started it. Has come forward and given interviews on CNN and said, yeah, I guess her cat was missing or something. She, she sets up to a neighbor about Haitians eat them and then she found the cat and then, but by then it had spread everywhere and then she came out and said, no, you know, I didn't mean to start anything.
No, it's not true. So why is it a quarter of these people
Greg Behrendt: still believe? J. D. Vance said it was fake. He said it was fake. He admitted to it being a false flag.
Tom Sawyer: Yeah.
Greg Behrendt: [00:03:00] Yeah. Yeah. I just think people, I think people just like the story.
Tom Sawyer: Well,
Greg Behrendt: I think that sometimes that's just something fun to talk about.
Tom Sawyer: I think it's something I just think the Internet has killed a lot of people's brains.
I just don't I think you have like, uh, and 25 percent is a good number. I'll go with the 25%. 25 percent of the population can't handle the technology that we've been just bombarded with in the last 30, years or so. And these people would be so much happier if we were living, if they were living like 100, 125 years ago, where they were, they were, they were taking a dump in a, in a outhouse in the backyard and taking care of chickens.
And their brains just can't handle it. They, they, and that's the only reason, the only thing I can think of because. Nothing else makes sense. And I see, I see smart people, uh, people I respected for years. I watched Joe Rogan say things that I never thought would come out of his face. Yeah. That surprised me.
I mean, I've [00:04:00] known the guy for over a decade. He played cobs for twice a year for 12 years. I've had talks with him for hours on end, you know, a couple of times, a couple of weeks out 12 years. And I don't recognize this guy.
Greg Behrendt: But I think he got delighted by the power and the amount of people when he would say things like that, like the end result is.
He makes money.
Host Brian Copeland: Well, that's what it boils down to, you know, there are people who knew Rush Limbaugh before he was Rush Limbaugh, you know, and, and say that he completely changed once they, once he hit with that show and that show became the phenomenon it did, uh, that, that he, it changed him. He started and created a persona in order to build an audience and then started to believe the persona that he, that he created for himself.
Well,
Tom Sawyer: Greg, uh, uh, proops, you, you, you spent a lot [00:05:00] of time in England at one point. Did you, you know, Russell brand, right? I do. Yeah. Is it, is what you're seeing from him now with just mind blowing? Well, I mean, I've
Greg Proops: yeah, it is Tom. Um, I knew Russell, uh, I didn't know him in England, but I knew him when he came to LA at first, when he was trying to be a movie star and whatnot, and he was a pervert, of course.
Uh, but so many people chose this. Um, no, I mean, you know, I remember doing a gig in London and the bartender telling me at the Soho theater that he was having sexual intimacy in the dressing room before the show, and that she was repulsed beyond measure and never wanted to speak to him again. So that's where we're coming from.
This was before he became Jesus and then before he became the. The Hillary hating incel that we know today. And by the way, a Jew who became a Christian, which is like, you're such a Shonda. Um, so, uh, Russell's an intelligent guy and Joe, I did his show for years [00:06:00] and it all changed with Hillary the first time.
Um, 45 ran, uh, I would do Joey Codea show. I would do Wilden show out in Corolla show. And I haven't spoken to any of them since 2016. Oh, wow. That was the line of demarcation. You know what I mean? Like if, if you were me and they go, Oh my God, you didn't vote for Hillary. Did you? And I'm like, yeah, I did. And then they'd be like, Oh my God, that's crazy.
And then I feel like, like you said about Rush Limbaugh and Bernie
Greg Behrendt: and Bernie dropping out. Or or or not
Host Brian Copeland: forced out actually, but yes, I
Greg Proops: think they're clowns for the right. And I think what's really important now is to think they're all handling and dealing in misinformation and the misinformation is, um, I mean, it's whether or not Russia is giving it to them, although we found out a couple of weeks ago with the Justice Department that there's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of outlets that are literally parroting So I think you Russian disinformation.
Oh, you might even go further and [00:07:00] say, so is NPR and CNN. Um, anytime you repeat something that Orange 45 says without context. Or without any kind of comment on it, it's Russian disinformation because he doesn't say other things. He only lies. So, as far as like, you know, the people believing it, like, I have people in my family, you know, distant relatives, like my sister, and, um, she, she thinks that is being brought into the United States by immigrants, you see, and no amount of, uh, of.
Facts can counteract that notion once they've taken it on board. So I think people are really susceptible to this information. And what makes it so depressing to Tom's point is that it's not just everybody likes to think it's trailer trash and stupid white people, which it is, but it's a lot of intelligent people too.
Um, and I will, I'll go even further and say white people are insanely vulnerable to misinformation. How is it that black people vote 85, [00:08:00] 90 percent and black women, 90 percent plus for Hillary, uh, Biden and Kamala. And that white people, white men vote 60 plus percent for Trump. That's You know, something that no one ever wants to talk about.
Well, there's misogyny,
Host Brian Copeland: obviously it's, it's, it's misogyny that's, that's involved in Judo. I like my candidates for Biden. Sorry. Um, you, and talking about misinformation, um, I was, uh, was, was reading the story about the, the, the, the dust up with 60 minutes and countless 60 minutes interview. Where if she, if she gave, she was asked a question about the U S and whether or not they would have influence, this country would have influence over Netanyahu.
And she apparently gave a long, they, they, they refer to it as, as a, as, as word salad, kind of an answer. And what, uh, CBS did was, or what 60 Minutes did when they edited the piece [00:09:00] was they cut it down to an, a single intelligent sentence, and it came out that they did that and that, and Trump is going crazy saying that CBS should lose his broadcast license and all this other stuff.
Okay? Well come to the fight out that they, 60 minutes for years a, during a presidential year, has had both candidates on, has had individual interviews with no candidates 50 years, and agreed to do it. So Trump agreed to do it, and then he pulled out, and the reason he pulled out is because they said they were going to fact check him.
So if you're going to fact check me, I'm not going to give you an interview. So that's why we got the misinformation that we have. I mean, so he won't go anywhere where they're going to fact check.
Greg Proops: He speaks in lines, and um, it's, you know, we can argue the morality, uh, until the cows come home, but I think that a lot of people Would rather live in a world of lies than deal with [00:10:00] what did James Baldwin say?
The harsh truth. It hides so much pain if they if they really dealt with the truth. Um, the pain would be overwhelming for them, their racism, their illiteracy, their lack of ambition. They're, they're not, some of them aren't very good people. Um, uh,
Host Brian Copeland: some of them were, see, that's the thing. You know, I've got a friend who was a friend of mine for 40 years and, and, you know, who's an, an, an intelligent guy, uh, who was a thoughtful, uh, person who drank the Kool Aid.
You know, and, and it's just insane, you know, and, and I ended this 40 year friendship and, and the bottom line was he posted something that, um, you know, the, the guy who I knew wouldn't post and that was a, it was a meme of a tombstone that said 1950 to 2023 when America saw commercials [00:11:00] with a white husband and a white wife.
Because now they're showing commercials where, uh, where you have, uh, and their ads coming. I got an ad from, uh, uh, I want to say Blue Shield or somebody with a black husband and a white wife and a biracial kid. And you're seeing, you're seeing more and more of that. But the fact that he would post up something as racist as that, that's not the guy I know.
Hmm.
Greg Behrendt: You know, that is a, that is a story that's circulating in the manosphere about the TV commercials changing and, and, and of course, Hollywood is the first to assimilate, right? You know, where the, you know, like, where, where the country's going. I mean, in some ways.
Tom Sawyer: Well, the thing about it is the same way with, with woke ism, you know, and people always go, you know, how are you handling woke ism in San Francisco?
People that I know from, you know, back East and they go, dude, we, we, we're so past that train station, you know, we've been, we've been woke, [00:12:00] we've been woke since the nineties, you know, it's like, we, we, you know, you know, uh, you know, people don't do what they, even comics don't do what they, Did before that's why even when I tell them what I used to do at Cobbs, uh, booking Cobbs comedy club, they always go, Oh, how's the comedy scene of the audiences.
It's packed. Everything's packed. You know that there are more comedians playing arenas now than ever before. And so no one gives a shit about wokeness. I saw Bill Burr do a bit that, you know, if, if there was a time when there, if it was a woke audience, they would have turned on him, but they didn't. They, some laughs, some didn't, and they moved on to the next bit.
And had a great time. So you're saying the Seinfeld needs to stop whining. Seinfeld's a big, big, billionaire whiner.
Host Brian Copeland: Comedy, comedy. Yeah.
Tom Sawyer: You know, that's what he says. You know, it's old guys. It's mostly old guys that are, that, that are whining and, and stuff because they don't [00:13:00] grow. They refuse to grow. Yeah.
You know, that's what it's all about. That's why Carlin was great because Carlin was always moving. Yeah. Uh, forward, always reinventing himself, but in a way that was never he were where he was never George Carlin, he was always George Carlin and but he would always grow up, you know, he would never go back to doing, you know, the 10 dirty words or anything.
He's always moving forward. And that's why it's so significant. Even
Host Brian Copeland: today. Well, like one of the things that was like the saddest when, when, like when, when Greg's the, the two Greg's and I were coming up, um, was seeing comics for who were big, like in the late fifties and early sixties, who were still performing and doing stuff and how they, If they weren't doing the same material, it was material that they were writing stuff for the 1950s.
Like I remember, I remember doing, I didn't do a show. I came in to see Professor Irwin Corey one time. Yeah. It was like the [00:14:00] same kind of thing. I saw Jack Carter. Remember Jack Carter? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wow. Jack Carter did it. You ever heard this joke? These three, uh, three, three women, young women from the, for the Midwest take a, uh, a Greyhound bus, uh, and get off at Hollywood.
And, uh, when they get off the bus, the bus driver asked them why they're there. And, uh, first one says, I'm here because I want to do television because it was great. Second one says, uh, me, I want to be here because I want to do film. Oh, that's wonderful. Third one says, I, I'm, I'm here because I want to screw Jack Carter.
And he goes, why? She goes, I don't know. Everywhere I go, people say screw Jack Carter.
So that was the real classic. That he had, but the fact that these people didn't grow. So maybe that's, maybe that's the issue. Maybe you're right in terms of that. Yeah. But Seinfeld said he will not play colleges, you know, cause he got booed for [00:15:00] doing a joke and he won't, you know, or groaned or
Tom Sawyer: whatever.
Did you write another joke
Host Brian Copeland: then?
Tom Sawyer: Yeah. Well, the other thing too, is that it's the same thing where, you know, Bill Burr is not going to get booed for a bit. Uh, at, uh, the Oakland Coliseum because it's his audience. They paid a hundred bucks on an average ticket to just to be there to see him. That's his audience.
And, but if he goes on, uh, does a special with some of the material, yeah, people are going to go after him because it's, they're watching it for free. They're there. They got a subscription to Netflix. They're watching it. They're going, holy shit. I hate this stuff. That's not his audience. And
Greg Behrendt: they're from everywhere.
Yeah, exactly. So, so they just, they dip in for a minute, they make it and then they make a decision. Yeah, I mean, you can feel the same, the same thing you said for Hannah Gatsby, you know, there's certain people love Hannah, but then, you know, if you are some dude in the Midwest and you trip in and you're like, what the hell is this all about, you know.
Tom Sawyer: Yeah, well, that's, but that's your choice to do. You turned it on. You can shut it off and you know, [00:16:00] people need to grow up about that stuff to it left, right and center. You know, you have a thing called, um, you know, another, you have another app to go to. You can, you don't have to watch the thing that you're watching.
You don't have to watch real time with Bill Maher. If you hate Bill Maher, you can watch John right there.
I stopped doing
Tom Sawyer: that. I stopped doing that
many times.
Host Brian Copeland: Oh my God. I had another person who worked in Hollywood. You know, I've had about two or three people. I've never met Bill Maher. But I have had like two or three people in my life who were just randomly said that they had encounters with him and that he was an asshole.
You know, once it was a cab driver, talking about Bill Maher, right? Yeah. What was the cab driver who was leading all the comic? Oh, well, I drove a comic one time. I
Greg Behrendt: will say one nice thing about him though. And I saw him do this a number of times he would go if he was on somewhere, [00:17:00] like if he was at the improv, he would go into the audience.
He would sit down and he would laugh at everybody. He'd watch every act that was going on before him and he would laugh. Well, that's cool. I mean, he was very supportive in that way. I don't, I don't know him personally at all.
Host Brian Copeland: Well, that's a, that's a great story. That's the first, that is the first good story I've ever heard.
Greg Behrendt: Yes, he came to a party at my house with a prostitute. I mean, just a prostitute
Host Brian Copeland: and there was no
Greg Behrendt: other way to describe it. A car carrying, in the hooker's union. She was in the union, yes. And proud to be in the union. And he
Host Brian Copeland: brought her to the party.
Greg Proops: Well, that's him. Yeah. I mean, you know, I think with the, the one thing I've always been desperate to fight against is that irrelevance.
Um, and Carlin is my hero, you know, and I thought [00:18:00] Carlin and prior a lot of comics really stayed hip because they listen to themselves. And like you said, like Greg said, um, you know, you work with the old fashioned guys that were old fashioned when we came up. We're really old fashioned
and
Greg Proops: then now we're like from the alternative scene of the 90s or whatever.
And now we're old fashioned because it's everything's turned again. And, um, what gets me though, is that, uh, there's people whose names I won't mention Matt, right? Who do crowd work and shit. And really sexist material and somehow it's edgy again and Tom, it reminds me of playing fucking cobs in 1982 and guys getting up and doing Chinese driver jokes and stuff and playing the Holy City Zoo and the old, old, old days when guys would get up and my girlfriend's fat and women are bitches and Chinese can't drive and um, queers are disastrous.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [00:19:00] And
Greg Proops: hilariously to me, it feels like it's come full circle in that there's this weird, uh, sort of, as they say about the horseshoe with the left and the right with comedy, there's that incel horseshoe where there's the map, right? Shane Gillis, uh, uh, you know, whoever you can think of, that's, they're barely disguised fascists, if not openly fascist, but it's under the guise of being edgy and, oh, you can't take it.
You know what I mean? Yes. Well, it's not a matter of you can't take it. Like Tom said, we're from San Francisco. We learned in the eighties that the woke thing is, it's merely a matter of taste and style. Yeah. If you haven't the taste and manners to not make fun of people below you, then maybe stand up comedy is not for you.
Maybe you should be a Republican Senator. The thing that you should punch up though, you should punch up and not punch down. That's what I mean. Yeah, the bungee gown's bullshit, you know, Dice Clay pioneered it in the late 80s, right, that homeless people smell and all that. And it wasn't funny then, you know.[00:20:00]
Greg Behrendt: But it, it's disappointing having lived through the 90s and seeing it stand up sort of blossom in a way where you think, oh, wow, this is going to get very interesting and very curative. And now we're back to this, Trumpy, retro. I don't even know. Manosphere of a Rogan sphere of white men who are persecuted.
Yeah, right? Yeah, they all feel persecuted. They have to live on the outside. They're the victim. They're the victim of woke. You know, which is to be awake.
Tom Sawyer: Yeah, just to be aware. Just to be empathetic. Empathy is like almost people, a word that people cringe at, uh, males, white males especially, cringe at. You know, oh, I'm empathetic.
Oh, yeah. That's [00:21:00] code, isn't it? For like, you're gay or something. You know, and so, That you care that you give a shit, you know, I don't understand why that makes makes you weak yet picking on people who are in a minority, you know, I mean that the, you know, when Chappelle all the Rogan all these people started attacking trans people.
I was like, what the? You know, it's right. It's like, it's not even a percent. Such a minute percentage of our society. And, and you have, we know these people go through hell in their life transitioning and how hard it is. And that's one of the things that I love about San Francisco, always loved about San Francisco is that the diversity, the people you see at the Fulton street fair, the Castro street fair, and, and, and it makes, I, it just makes me happy to see people being who they are, you know, being themselves.
Yes.
Host Brian Copeland: Well, I think a lot of that has to do with [00:22:00] Trumpism. You know, if you listen to Trump at a rally or the clips of Trump, he's primarily punching down. He's attacking the weak. Your problems are because of immigrants. Your problems are because of equality for women. Your problems are, you know, uh, because trans people are because of gay people or because of whoever.
Yeah. And, and it's all, it's all the politics of, of, of grievance. Uh, let me, let me ask you this question. Do you think that, uh, being us being in show business, that if you are an open Trump supporter and you are in show business, that it hurts your career because that's what, what some are saying. I'll give you the example.
You know, Zachary, Zachary Levi, is it Levi or Lever? It is Levi. Zachary Levi. He had a huge movie with Shazam. Shazam 2 tanked. He did, just did this movie, uh, the purple, something in the purple crayon that, that, that, that tanked. He, uh, about a [00:23:00] week ago went to a Trump rally in Michigan and came on stage and endorsed him.
And he goes, I know this is a career killer. I know that my career is over now because of the fact that I said this and the liberals in Hollywood are not going to hire me. And, and the story that I read was everybody in Hollywood were, we were scratching our heads going, we, your career is already over because you just did Jameson the giant crayon and you did Shazam too and lost all this money.
Nobody's going to put you in a book. It's like, cause you're in from somewhere. Yeah. So, but, but, but,
Tom Sawyer: So you're going to fall down to television, you know, you'll have a, you'll be in a series on Netflix and you'll fail your way into oblivion or you won't, you know, it's like, I don't understand that the idea today of people, um, you know, not understanding that going with a guy who, or backing a guy who is a adjudicated and self confessed sexual assaulter, a felon and, um, [00:24:00] both serial liar.
Why is that a good thing to wrap your mitts around? To period. That's one of the things I ask people all the time. And nobody really has a good answer, especially because when you wrap adjudicated, if you leave that alone, they'll say, Oh, it's the, the system's going after him and stuff like that. You know, when you say, Hey, it was a jury of his peers, they don't really care.
It's a system, you know, but if you say he's, you match that up with self confessed because he's is a self confessed. Yeah. He's a sexual assaulter. I mean, it's recorded, for God's sake,
Host Brian Copeland: in his own voice, proudly, before AI. So he can't claim it was AI, because he would if it came out today. If anything comes out today, it's not him.
That would be the next thing that he says.
Tom Sawyer: But nobody, no, not even the media ever wants to talk about that. It just drives me nuts. No, I, I, I don't understand.
Host Brian Copeland: Well, I'll tell you, I do understand it. If you read anything about cults. Read anything about cults and about how cults work. Um, and it's, I, I, I read a, uh, [00:25:00] there was something, a sound line where I, it had a list of what is considered a cult.
You know, the, the, the leader is somebody who's charismatic. The leader is somebody who will tell you that you can't believe anything that anybody says, except for them. They'll take the truth. You know, the, the only one's telling you the truth that the, the, the, the. The cult leader will get you to isolate yourself from your family and from your friends because they're wrong.
And they're, you don't listen to anything that they say because they're trying to pull you out. It's all the same stuff. It's all the same stuff. And that that's the only, that's the only possible explanation why all of this could happen. I mean, for God's sake, this, the story with the, the new, uh, uh, it's a superseding indictment.
Is that what it is? I don't know. Uh, that, uh, Judge Chetkin got last week. Normally, that would have been politically career ending yet. It was just a blip. It was just a blip.
Greg Behrendt: Yeah. Yeah. Well, We're also, [00:26:00] I think, as a country, um, half of us are dictator curious.
Greg Proops: That's the, for real truth. Yeah, it is. You know, people always say stuff like, um, uh, why would people vote against their interests? Um, they're not like their interest is. Do you hate who I hate? Are you going to support my, uh, belief system? And are you as racist as I want you to be? And that's what he gives them.
He gives them the permission to be horrible people. He gives them like Zach Levy or whatever. I'm sure that he thinks to himself. I'm really striking a blow for freedom here because finally someone is speaking to me. He doesn't think I'm a racist jerk, you know, and then, of course, the victimization. Right?
Oh, my God. I spoke my mind. Therefore. I'm going to be penalized for it. Yeah. Well, everyone who runs a show business giant entity. [00:27:00] The CEOs of all of the, uh, streaming companies, uh, uh, movie companies are right wing, you know, maybe a couple aren't, um, Kathy Griffin said it a couple of weeks ago and on Twitter and threads and kind of, you know, in an interview, she was like, uh, I'm not really tired of hearing about how you're going to get penalized if you're conservative in Hollywood, because the people who run the goddamn networks are conservative and let's look at SNL.
When is Lauren Michaels ever been a humanist feminist. Bro, anything and that show goes on and on and on with their ageism and their sexism and their racism and everyone thinks it's hilarious. And the writing is dived down to a 6th grade sketch level and people still fucking put it on the web every 2 seconds and and we're having to celebrate them home every minute of the day.
And it's like, I don't see a big. You know, there's never been a big explosion of progressive lefty humanist comedy. It's had [00:28:00] to rear its ugly head where it could. I mean, as
Host Brian Copeland: SNL, how many years with
Greg Proops: Robin, you know what I mean? We got lucky that Robin was from the Bay area, had some information. At his worst, it was, you know, burlesque of different races and stuff, but at his best, he really was a human who talked about how people felt and how vulnerable people could be.
And that's the opposite of what a lot of comedy that I perceive. The reason why I hate stand up comedy now is because there are so many dudes promoting this whole, you're not, you know, I'm a victim because I can't say what I want. And I just don't get it. I don't see it. Um, you've always been able to say what you want when white men don't run, when someone is awful as, as a sweet potato, Stalin can run three times three
Host Brian Copeland: times
Greg Proops: in a row.
He runs and we're talking about white guys aren't getting what they want. Are you fucking kidding me?
Host Brian Copeland: Uh, I saw an [00:29:00] interview with James Carville on, um, on MSNBC and he says that he is terrified. He's really scared of election day. Um, so that does not bode well, even though the polls are saying, you know, it's, it's either a dead heat or she's a little bit ahead is, is what the polls are saying.
So I'll ask you this question. Are you scared about election day? And if so, how scared and why?
Greg Behrendt: I feel like election day is like this hurricane and everyone's afraid it's going to be, I, I want it to be a non starter. I don't think they're organized enough for there to be some kind of another January 6 situation, but I could be wrong.
Tom Sawyer: I think it's more, I think it's more of, um, for me, it's more what happens when Trump loses again.
And, uh, cause I honestly, I still, you know, of course, you know, nothing's for real. And I [00:30:00] thought Hillary was going to win for sure. And she did win the popular vote. Uh, but I do think, uh, Kamala is going to win. And I do think because while there are, um, while the sexes are voting, Completely different. Um, you know, women, it's almost 60 40 minutes, 60 40 trump.
And, but I think women tend to vote more guys don't, it's not, it's not like cool to vote or something like that. So I think, I think we have an edge there. And I also think that, um, I just think that. When it gets, when it comes time, I think there's a lot of people out there who are in neighborhoods where they have to say, I'm voting for Trump.
And then when they get into the booth and they're alone, I honestly believe they're going to do the right thing. 35 to 40 percent of our population or the world's population, I think is screwed. It, you know, they're just crazy people, but I'd still believe. That there's enough good people to, [00:31:00] for this to be a significant victory for Kamala.
Greg Proops: I think it's going to be like Obama's 2012 election and like Bill Clinton's 1996 election. He's she's going to win that handily and then he's going to try to adjudicate the devil out of it and, you know, cheat and whatnot and try to get it thrown to the Supreme court and all that. And it won't work. Um, I think she's going to win.
And, um, my. Fervent wish is that, um, it helps destroy the Republican party. Um, Romney two days ago, Mr. Uh, profiles and courage who can't come forward and say, listen, if you told me in 2008, that Dick Cheney was going to endorse a black woman, Democrat for president, I would have blown you. And now it's like, here we are.
So I don't think 45 has added any voters. Since the last election, no one has jumped on board that train. He's hemorrhaging [00:32:00] really right wing people. And I think he's hemorrhaging. And I think that the public is extraordinarily tired of his act, because his act is old and boring. And he's even more batshit than he was before.
But he's talking about
Host Brian Copeland: eugenics. For God's sake, the man is embracing eugenics. How much more, you know, in terms of Nazi is there, how, how closely do you get the net there? There are bad genes with, you know, these people are burglars and rapists because they have bad genes. I mean, that's scary.
Greg Proops: Right. And the week before last was a crystal knock.
We're going to have one night when law enforcement gets to kill everybody, which, as we know, in the Nazis, we've already had the beer hole, which that was Hillary and we already had coven, which was, you know, like all the analogies, but letting law enforcement around while this crystal knock and eugenics is absolutely the final solution.
And it's just that simple. Um, like Tom said, it's infuriating because, you know, The media has enthusiastically [00:33:00] supported him since day jump and that's because the people who own the news companies are right. Everyone who owns a news company is Brian Cox in succession. And that's
Greg Behrendt: the thing about earlier about cutting Kamala's.
You know, uh, answer to they do that with Trump every day, every day to put a coherent sentence together, they have a bunch of shit together. So, so that when they're doing the news, they can say, this is what Trump is about and have something cut together, seemingly looking like policy when in fact, he's just rambling that the beauty is.
He keeps forgetting what his hit of the week was and moves to another thing. So he's off cats and dogs and then he's in eugenics and then he's off of that and now he's blaming FEMA. And it, there's no, um, uh, you know, as much as I've, I've seen [00:34:00] Kamala, and I'm, I'll be glad when she's not campaigning anymore.
But she keeps saying the same things over and over and over and over and over and over again in every interview and every consistent.
Host Brian Copeland: Well, well, we're staying on this. Well, she's she's getting, but she's getting a lot of, uh, a flack because of that, because of the fact that she's not given a press conference in 81 days.
Uh, when you see her, it is a, some are saying it's almost robotic. Because of the fact that she says the same thing over and over again. And, um, I saw a story this morning that the legacy media, uh, you know, the mainstream media, CBS, ABC, NBC, the legacy media, they're really pissed off because of the fact that she's giving her interviews to, uh, to, to popular podcasts.
She's giving her interviews to Colbert and to the view. And, and there are some who are saying that that's a real mistake and there are others who are saying that it's brilliant because she's talking to the people. So
Greg Behrendt: I read the other day [00:35:00] that that's actually a page out of Trump's playbook because Trump has only gone to podcasts and friendly venues.
You know, he won't, he obviously didn't want to do 60 minutes like he knew there would be, you know, the more he lies, the more he can't stay on topic, the more his people are aware he can't be in front of an open mic with a serious journalist.
Host Brian Copeland: And he said, he said again, I guess yesterday that there will not be a 2nd debate.
So quit asking him about it.
Greg Proops: The mainstream media is going to do everything they can to support fascism and it's kind of sadly that simple right now. And part of the reason they're so upset is because, um, like Caller Daddy gets a gigantic listenership way more than say, for instance, a cable news program. And that's where, that's where the problem comes.
And I was watching Lawrence O'Donnell last night. He was one of the few. White guy reporters that'll actually just say, this is a lie.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah. [00:36:00]
Tom Sawyer: You know, why are we living it? And the stupidest, every single ad was run for president,
Greg Proops: right? Every single ad was for, um, supplements and, um, weight loss. Absolutely.
Yeah. Snake oil. So what that says to me is. One, Lawrence is an awesome journalist because he stuck to his guns, but two, um, MSNBC can't sell any ad time to car companies or shaving cream companies or gigantic advertisers that they should have. They're reduced to selling snake oil because that's the advertisers they're getting, which means their numbers are putrid.
And so you're doing all the alternative things. For instance, she's going on Univision tonight, which is awesome because yeah, she's going to speak to the Latin voters and the mainstream media, of course, is desperate to believe that black people and Latin people are leaving her in droves and running over to Trump because he's so engaging and amazing.
And they'll give you [00:37:00] these, all these attributes to him. Like he's actually thinking forward or anything like that. I'm not certain that he's. Uh, got any plan in particular, other than he's aware that if she wins, he is likely to face the biggest legal avalanche in the history of the country.
Host Brian Copeland: He's going to jail.
Uh, yeah. If he loses, he's going to jail.
Greg Proops: And he's 78. So he'll probably die before he goes to jail, which is again, something that I pray for.
Host Brian Copeland: Doesn't leave him out and leave, leave him out pending all of his appeals. I mean, 'cause they've given him, I mean, you know, just the, the New York case for God's sake.
I mean, how many times do you think you could be held in contempt and not go to jail for how many He was You have like 10 times. How Yeah. How many times could you, before they, before they put cuffs on you and put you in a holding cell? You know, I mean, they've given him every benefit of the, every benefit of the doubt, or do we say that, that, uh, yeah, he just complains about being treated so unfairly.
I [00:38:00] mean, he, he's, he's the prince of privilege, you know, any defendant in the history of America, for God's sake, you know. I mean, imagine if this was, uh, if this was a young black man up there in front of this judge and then walking out the hallway and saying that, you know, saying stuff about his daughter, talking smack about his daughter.
I mean, yeah. How long before he would find his butt in jail?
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
Greg Proops: He reminds me of a Warren Thomas joke from the 80s. Early nineties. I remember at the zoo and he went the day, the SNL scandal broke, I was busted for stealing a grape at Safeway.
His other great line was he would tell you to go PBS. I'm throwing the, uh, throwing the public. What was it? Standard oil throwing the public a bone so they don't burn our to the [00:39:00] ground and then when you watch PBS and all that, and it's all oil company, this and that, and then they'll come on and go. Trump forcefully denounced immigration today, and you're like, he didn't forcefully do anything.
He's an incoherent, malignant, narcissist, Russian tool, asshole, traitor. Who let a million people die from COVID? From Jump Street. We're letting someone who attacked the White House and let a million people die from COVID get on TV and blag. And then everybody goes, Oh, he said something. No, he didn't. He hasn't said anything.
Greg Behrendt: Right. Right. Right. Right. Had us shoot bleach into our skin while he was sending Putin some tests.
Greg Proops: Now we know that for a fact. And like, it's like, that's anyone else? Like you should literally would be executed if the countries that he loves so much, Hungary and, uh, you know, Russia and China. You would literally be executed.
Tom Sawyer: Here's the thing I don't understand about the big media corporations, though, and corporations in general that are backing Trump, [00:40:00] and that is that if you look and see what goes on in most of these countries, especially Russia with Putin, you see a lot of, um, people who have a lot of money having, Uh, 10th story slip and falls, uh, and, and that money has made, uh, and that money somehow lands its way into Putin's pockets, making him the richest man in the world where he was just a KGB agent before that.
So if you just follow a teeny little bit of history, you're going to see that this is probably not going to end well for you. You know, it, it, Uh, your yacht's gone, your, your, your kids are hanging from trees in the back on that big oak tree in the backyard and your house is burned to the ground. So
Host Brian Copeland: the other, the other part of this too, why I don't understand why media companies would back, would back authoritarianism is because if you look at these countries that do are being ruled under a dictatorship, what do they do [00:41:00] to the media?
The first thing they do is they nationalize the media and they make it state TV. You know, they'll tell you what you can and you cannot say. So why, why would you back that? Why would you, why, why would you, why would you back a regime that is going to take away your autonomy? It doesn't, it doesn't make any sense to me.
There's so much of this that just doesn't make any sense to me. And I, I, and, and my, you know, my, my head's about to explode
Tom Sawyer: smart people. These are smart people, you know, we're here going. Geez, you know, my, my guest room over here and, and the rich, smart people, and they're going, I'm going to back Trump because he's going to help me out.
No, he's not, dude, there's nothing in his DNA that is about helping anybody.
Host Brian Copeland: Well, if you hear his aides, you know, people who serve with, and they'll tell you that he makes fun of his supporters. And and his supporters are people if if he if this was a different situation and he bumped into these people on the street, we would bump into [00:42:00] these people on the street because he would cross the street as soon as he saw them coming.
Yeah, so he'd have nothing to do with most of the people who are supporting him and who love him so much and are willing to go to jail for him. I mean, I mean, that tells you it's a cult right there. The very fact that they're willing. Peters
Greg Behrendt: last week in Colorado. And one of them was in Mr. Shell. Yeah.
Host Brian Copeland: Yes,
Greg Proops: I'm
Host Brian Copeland: going to go ahead
Greg Proops: and
Host Brian Copeland: it just
Greg Proops: proves that anybody is susceptible to this job because his excuse was when a friend of mine who I work with. It's friends with Jay and the FBI rang him when they arrested Jay really because he happened to be on Jay's phone and they said, he said, he spoke to Jay after and said, why did you do this and Jay went just trying to protect our country, man.
And this is a guy we all know, you know, we've known Jay, and he's not a particularly stupid guy, and he's a pretty funny guy, [00:43:00] um, whatever propaganda got into his brain, that decided, and by the way, he's going to go, I think he's flooded, he's copped a plea now, to keep it down, to keep the jail sentence down.
So that he doesn't do 5 years. He'll probably do a year and a half suspended sentence or something. But I mean, on the other hand, they put over over 1000 people in jail for January 6th. So the whole, there's no repercussions. That's nonsense. They put look and including the 3 biggest assholes. Enrico. The dude with the eye patch.
You shot his own eye out. They're all in jail forever. So yeah,
Host Brian Copeland: it has worked for over 30 years. Quit exaggerating. 30 years. Quit exaggerating. 30 years. You know, for
Greg Proops: okay, 30. Okay, 30 years. Right. I
Host Brian Copeland: want to, I want to shift gears. Since we're talking about crime and punishment. Um, uh, you've been following this Garth Brooks stuff at all.
Cause I, I, I just learned about it actually yesterday. I didn't know it had been in the news for a bit that he has been, uh, accused of rape by a, um, oh, good. I'll scratch for a sec. Hopefully. No, I'm here. Oh, okay. We don't see you. I just didn't want
Greg Proops: you to see what I [00:44:00] was about to do there. Whenever you mentioned Garth Brooks, I get very excited.
I have to change my shirt so that it's two different colors. Get all Jeffrey Toobin on us. Yeah. Right.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah. Oh, Jeffery Toobin. That I, you know, I just, I know Jeffrey Tubin, you know, not real well, but I've interviewed him, you know, Jeffrey Tubin and you're no Jeffrey Stubin, you know, Jeffrey Tubin, I mean, what the hell was he?
I just, you know, there's just some stuff, you know, what the hell were you, by
Greg Proops: the way, he didn't get canceled either. Uh, there's this whole, I've already got canceled. I saw Mark Halperin on Twitter yesterday, giving his opinion and Mark Halperin, not only did he have to resign his job, he was known to rub his butt.
Thing on women that worked for him. Wow. And like there he is back on Twitter going, you should vote for Trump because Pam, you know, like, so the whole idea that anyone got canceled is like, you know, maybe Harvey w Tub
Host Brian Copeland: Tubman got, got pulled off the air though. He got pulled off CNN Good for, for, for a while.
For, for a year, year and a half. And then he was [00:45:00] allowed back. And I know if he's still, I don't know if he's still there or not.
Greg Behrendt: He's still Oh, he's still there. He's opening for Louie.
Host Brian Copeland: Madison Square Garden that is sold out and that he's doing jokes about the behavior that got him in trouble. Yeah. And the, and the, the women comics, from what I understand, have been blackballed. The women comics who came forward are having trouble getting gigs. They've been blackballed. He's selling out Madison Square Garden and joking about what it is that he did.
Well, so it's, you know, so, but on this, this Garth Brooks thing, I'm, I'm really curious as to your take on this, because this is kind of a, it's a dangerous subject. Anytime you're talking about rape, it's real easy to have what you say be misconstrued or so. Telling you before we walk this tightrope. All right.
So it's so the woman who did hair and makeup Uh for for garth brooks [00:46:00] and for his wife, uh, what tricia yearwood? Uh, i'm not a big country guy Uh, yeah surprise uh Well, she she accused him of raping her in I guess 2019 in a hotel room in in los angeles And she's been referred to as rape victims. You generally are as jane doe And, uh, they, uh, they, they hide their identities.
They, they shield them for their protection. So Garth Brooks issued a statement saying that this was extortion. She was saying, if you don't write a check for millions of dollars today, I'm going to go forward with this allegation. And then he filed a lawsuit, a preemptive lawsuit to keep her from being able to go after him.
And in the lawsuit, he named her, he named her. And so her attorneys are saying that it's despicable to, to, to, uh, to ever name a rape victim. And I, this has always bothered me because I don't think you should name rape victims. But on the other hand, If you're [00:47:00] accused, whether you're acquitted or not, that bell can't be unrung.
So it's, it's just as unfair and see, I'm going to get in trouble for this. It's just as unfair in my opinion to, to name the person who has been accused until they've been convicted. Once they've been convicted, it's different. But if they've not been convicted, you know, as I say, you cannot unring that bell.
Once they're accused, look at Woody Allen, look at, uh, Nate, uh, uh, what was his name? He did the birth of a nation that was supposed to be this big, huge movie that they expected him to win Oscars for. And it went up in flames because, uh, people found out that he had been, uh, tried for a gang rape, uh, he and his, uh, in a college buddy back in college and he was acquitted.
A jury acquitted him, but they, you know, wrote rapist all over the posters and the movie like opened and closed in a weekend. So, so do you think that it's I'm not going to say right or fair, but, but, but if you're not going to name [00:48:00] rape victims, is it, is this heresy for me to say you shouldn't name the accused either until they're convicted of what it is they've been accused of?
Cowards. Cowards.
Greg Proops: Chicken shits. I'm not a big, uh, I don't think you should name the victims. Um, however, I do, I do agree with your point. Uh, there, there is such a thing as people who take advantage of it. But I think by and large, that's not the case. And men certainly are not as sympathetic as they might be.
Uh, to the entire issue and any woman will tell you that they've been hassled since they were a little girl by a dazzling variety of men, not just creeps and not just, uh, uh, the usual suspects, but, um, next door neighbors, priests, guys at bus stops walking down the street. And I [00:49:00] mean, from when they're little, I don't mean from when they're, uh, you know, 17 and they deserve it.
Yeah. I mean, and of course, that will only be the only quote that's, uh, as Greg says, when you're 17, you deserve it.
Host Brian Copeland: That's the 60 minutes. That's 60 minutes. So
Greg Proops: I tend to fall down on the side of women in this one and the accused, um, if he really legitimately. Uh, and I'm sure he does. It thinks it didn't happen or whatever.
It has to be played out. Um, it's way, like you say, there's so much complication in it. If Hannibal Burris hadn't have done that routine
and
Greg Proops: that routine hadn't caught everyone's attention. There's a very good chance. Bill Cosby Would have never gone to jail and wouldn't have been disgraced.
Host Brian Copeland: So I'm going to go farther than that and say that it's 100 percent he never would have gone in jail.
Yeah. You know, and, and the fact that you had so many women who had come forward for years prior to him [00:50:00] standing up there and make it, you know, doing a five minute bit. And then all of a sudden the, you know, the world goes crazy after all.
Tom Sawyer: But the same thing with Louie. I mean, I heard stories of Louie doing what he was doing way before the hit the fan.
In fact, That's the thing that pisses me off the most about every, all aspects of this. I mean, you know, everybody had to know that they were, they were getting to the edge of the place where real, real shit's going to go down and he's going to, um, His career is going to be at least one part of it is going to be over.
And one, another part of it will be over for a good amount of time. Uh, nobody, nobody put him into rehab. Nobody, he could have came out and said, Hey, I'm a sex addict. I'm going to rehab. I really apologize to the women I've victimized by doing what I thought. I was trying to be a nice guy doing some creepy thing.
You know, he could have, he could have done, he could have been so proactive about it. Cause me too had already started [00:51:00] and everybody was joking about, Oh, Louie's. Probably next. And you know, instead his management went after the, uh, the women he victimized. Mm-Hmm. . And, um, and we're really stupid about it. I mean, it was just, it was just a, a, a, a bunch of stupid things that are around white guys thinking they're invulnerable until they're not, you know?
Well, you know,
Host Brian Copeland: I, I talk about this in, in, uh, the, the, the show I'm doing. The Great American Shit show, uh, about the fact that, you know, none of this shit happened in a vacuum. You know, none of this meaty stuff happened in a vacuum like, you know, it was widely known that Charlie Rose would walk around naked in front of female subordinates at his house.
And when it came up in conversation, people would just say, that's just Charlie being Charlie. You know, agents in Hollywood knew exactly who Harvey Weinstein was, yet sent the actresses that he represented to meet him in hotel rooms anyway. And female agents did this to other women. So, so, so I guess my next question then would [00:52:00] be, you know, If you are somebody who's aware of this behavior and you don't speak up, and I'm saying, especially men, particularly men, are you complicit?
And I got to say, yeah, you are. If you know, and you're not saying anything.
Greg Behrendt: But it's interesting because I knew about Louie and it had been brought up to me by one of his victims and I didn't know who to tell, right? Who do I tell? I mean, if she's not going to say anything, do I tell, I mean, I guess it would have been, it would have been because she worked at a club.
I guess it would have been the club owner. You know, I, I just don't know. I just remember it happening and she was just pissed. And grossed out. Um, but like, I think in front of the camera. Oh yeah. Then I think, who should I, who should I have told? Do you know what I mean? In that
Host Brian Copeland: situation, [00:53:00] I would have said the club owner in that situation.
It was a club employee. Our owners
Greg Proops: are not present company. Notwithstanding, Tom, a good deal of the club owners in this country could really give two fucks about the women's safety in the club, waitresses, comics, anything they really don't give a shit. And that's just a tradition in this country. Um, I'm sure all of us have been told by club owners.
We were too smart. We were too lefty. We were to this. We were to that. So amplify that by a million times. When a woman comic goes, the other comics being creeping to me, they're like, fuck you. I mean, I, I've worked in clubs where waitresses went to the counter and said, could I have 2 whiskeys and a beer and the bartender would go.
Why don't you blow me every single time they ordered. And that is just how the world works. It's better than it was. I like to presume that was, you know, but it's always kind of been that way. And, um, my manager, [00:54:00] uh, at Aspen was told by his 2 clients who the ones that the case in point with Louie and he went to, um.
Uh, Luis manager and Luis manager told him to drop it. So, like Greg says, when you do go to someone and tell them what's going on, there's no guarantee that one, they're going to listen on two. One thing we've all learned in show businesses. If you go into a meeting and you say, you know, this could be better.
We could change this and make it different. The meeting doesn't everyone in the meeting doesn't go, my God, what a great point. Everyone in the meeting goes, um, Greg has a real issue here. Greg's got some problems. Everybody. Um, Greg's really bringing up some problems that he has. So it's always made your problem.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah.
Greg Proops: And that's where there's no recourse to actually get justice or, or, you know, I think about all the women who quit comedy. Because of shit. It's not just Louie. Louie's [00:55:00] just one guy.
Host Brian Copeland: No, no, I know.
Greg Proops: Right. Millions of women who managers club people, club owners, comics. They were starting to do it. They like doing it.
And then fuck this. Why? Why do I come here every day? Why do I want to go through?
Host Brian Copeland: Why am I going to go on the road and stay in a comedy condo with a comic who's sexually harassing me and I've got to live with him for a week?
Greg Proops: Who's watching porn and treating women like shit and you know, heaven knows what else they're getting up to and it's like, you know, it's creepy.
It's creepy. Yeah, and that's my big moral point for the day.
Host Brian Copeland: You spent a lot, as Tom mentioned earlier, uh, you spent a lot of time in England. I, I think I read somewhere, and I don't know if this is true, you tell me, that in England, they don't name the accused in any crime until there's a conviction, like in the papers and stuff.
Is that true?
Greg Proops: Yeah, and the libel laws are way different. It's way, way, way more difficult to be [00:56:00] litiginous there. Um, another thing I noticed over the million years of going to England is, um, there was an alternative scene there when I first started going in the early, late 80s, early 90s. And the comics were kind of edgy and more political and it's gotten as mainstreamed and as schlock tastic as American comedy.
And anyone that tells you the British comics are edgy. Some are, some still are, some are really cogent, trenchant, Stuart Lee, whatever.
Greg Behrendt: Yeah, surely.
Greg Proops: Uh, there's a lot of really schlock, tastic, mainstream bullshit. And the whole idea in England is to get on a panel show. And then be an anodyne if you'll, you know, non offensive mainstream piece of shit who can tour.
Well, and that seems to be the goal.
Tom Sawyer: Yeah. Anytime that anything takes a shift to towards become really, really populist. Um, Give you an example, like the eighties pretty much killed comedy 'cause of over exposure. Mm-Hmm. . So [00:57:00] the next generation in, in the nineties didn't have that, you know, evening at the improv, you know, afternoon at the improv, you know, the, the on the road Yeah.
The comedy. Yeah. Caroline.
Host Brian Copeland: Yep. I did 'em all. All.
Tom Sawyer: You know, Greg Patton and, you know, Blaine and all these great, uh, you know, 90s comics, Bill Burr came out of that whole, whole thing had a, you know, didn't have the, uh, the, that TV thing hanging over your head, you know, where you got to appeal to a mass audience.
So everybody went back to being kind of edgy. Like they were in the early, Eighties and late seventies when again, comedy was being ignored. There weren't even agents in the, in the early eighties, you know, in the late seventies. I think Spotlight was the, was the first. Oh, oh yeah. God, I remember Spotlight.
Yeah. And so, um, so then the, so the nineties was a great period for, for great [00:58:00] comedy. Uh, 'cause the Audi. Half the comedy clubs in the country closed and almost all the television went, went off. And unfortunately, you know, where I think YouTube is a really good thing in a lot of ways, it's also become like everything else that becomes too popular.
It's become a real wasteland for, you know, for, um, the people who are really just bad at their job that appeal to dummies, you know, the more, the more popular, uh, That some anything gets the more stupid it gets.
Host Brian Copeland: Let me, let me ask you, ask you this, just to go back to England for a second. Uh, did you guys see baby reindeer?
Greg Proops: Yeah, I know what it is. I didn't watch it now. Me either.
Host Brian Copeland: Oh, okay. Nevermind. Yeah. . I love, I, I,
Greg Behrendt: I,
Host Brian Copeland: I,
Greg Behrendt: nevermind. I loved it. I loved it.
Host Brian Copeland: I did too. But, but the, the, the, he, he's getting sued. A court ruled last week that, uh, that, that the, the woman who the character [00:59:00] who harassed him and stalked him and went to jail for, uh, is based on is suing him saying that it didn't happen in the way that he says that she never went to jail and it's completely exaggerated and she was liable and she was, she was slandered.
And what you, what
Tom Sawyer: you mentioned by her real name in the show. No, she's basically drawing attention. It's sort of like the, it reminds me of the, um, the, the guy who grew up, uh, who is the Nirvana baby on, uh, nevermind. And, uh, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm just, my life's been ruined and we, nobody knew who we were, dude, you were a baby, you were a baby.
Greg Behrendt: He was talking to alleged child abuse, like. That guy was trying the best he could. You're going to still photograph? Yeah. Sorry. Yeah.
Tom Sawyer: Ridiculous.
Host Brian Copeland: It's the
Tom Sawyer: same thing.
Host Brian Copeland: It was, it was internet sleuths. They say that figured this out. And there's another, there's a, there's a [01:00:00] manager who, who, who sex drugs and sexually assaults.
I forget the comic's name. What's the comic's name who wrote this thing and started it. Is British.
Greg Behrendt: Oh, Richard. Uh, Richard, um, I can't remember the, I
Host Brian Copeland: forget, I forget, but there is an a is a manager agent character in there who sexually assaults him. And the, the internet sleuths are trying to figure out who that is so they can out him.
But that's how, that's how they figured out the, the, the woman some they, yeah. It was a
Greg Behrendt: one man show that he did
Host Brian Copeland: in Edinburgh. That's right, that's right. Yeah. And they, they turned it into Disney and won a bunch of Emmy's and everything else. So, but now I'm waiting for the musical. Now they're getting sued.
Now they're getting sued. Uh, we are just about out of time guys. Uh, let's throw some plugs out. Uh, Greg Proops, you were playing where?
Greg Proops: Uh, thank you very much, Brian. Uh, I'm on the road with Whose Line. It's me, Ryan Stiles, uh, uh, Jeff Davis, Joel Murray, Laura Hall from the Whose Line, and then, um, November, I think we'll probably have Gary.
We had Dave Foley sit in with us [01:01:00] last week in Canada. Um, we're on the road forever and ever all over the Midwest and the East and then, um, Hawaii. And then I'm going to be at Nightmare Before Christmas in Mexico on Halloween, December 12th in London at Wembley. And that's live with an orchestra and all that.
Um, and we lost Ken Page who played Oogie Boogie last week, which was very sad for all of us. He, uh, he passed away. Um, but, uh, uh, I'm doing that. And then New Year's, I'll be at the Punchline in San Francisco for my 425th year making another album. Because Tom said, I'm trying to do what Carlin did at his age, which is make a record every year and, you know, try to stay relevant.
Uh, this whole album is about how, um, fat bitches have held me down and let me, you know, they don't let me say the things I want to say. Uh, I mean, that's the general drift of it, right? And the Jews, the Jews, cause they, you [01:02:00] know, Controlling show business. They got their tails. Somebody had to say it.
Greg Behrendt: Glad it was you.
Yeah, me too, man. And the weather dude, don't forget. They control the weather,
Host Brian Copeland: the weather. Layers are from face. Well, Greg, thanks. Thanks for doing the show. And I'm sorry that your career is going so shitty. I'm really, really
Greg Proops: excited. Uh, the, the records, uh, smarts man, the world podcast still on and the great film club, and they're both at all at great proofs.
com.
Greg Behrendt: All right. Greg Barrett, where are you? Man, after Proops, I don't Nowhere, man. Not fucking nowhere. I'm right here, man. That's all I need to be. I guess Proops has got all the gigs. That's why. Greg Barrett and I are
Greg Proops: doing Brainwash in San Francisco in two weeks.
Greg Behrendt: Yeah, sir. Weitzman will be there. It's going to be fantastic. What are you
Host Brian Copeland: working on? What are you working on that you're working on? I was just
Greg Behrendt: telling [01:03:00] Tom, I just tell, I was just telling Tom, I'm trying to get a book. I want to write an oral history of the alternative comedy scene. Oh, that's a great idea.
That hasn't been done from, no, from the early, you know, from the late 80s, early 90s up until mid, mid, mid aughts. So, Greg, you and I were
Host Brian Copeland: in that,
Greg Behrendt: what's that, Greg? You and I were in that. Yes, we were. We were. I, and I'm gonna talk to you. How many books have you read? Remember the Bil Freakout? The I, oh my God.
I have it on video, right?
Host Brian Copeland: Do you really? Yeah. Oh my goodness. Yeah. How many, how many books have you written so far?
Greg Behrendt: 4. 4? 4 No, wait, I'm sorry, 5. 5? 5 books. 4 self help books, and I wrote a memoir last year called Catch You on the Way Down. Oh, is it, or is it, is
it?
Greg Behrendt: It's about, it's about the, it's about the last 10 years of my life that were pretty rough, because I had cancer twice, and had a, got addicted to opiates after cancer, and then.
You [01:04:00] know, but but it all turns out fine. I mean, I'm here.
Host Brian Copeland: Yeah, I was gonna say I'm glad you're on. So
Greg Behrendt: you can get it at a place called ever and dot com. You can digitally get it or listen to the audio. It's opioids. Yes.
Here's the thing. The immigrants have been bringing in these great and then they went online with it. It was their idea to hide them in audio books.
Host Brian Copeland: Because addicts are generally very literary, so that that's a very, very, very good, good idea.
Tom Sawyer: Yeah. Tom, you got anything you want to mention? Dude, same old stuff. Catch, uh, the Comedy Club, uh, documentary about Cobbs Comedy Club and myself on, uh, uh, Amazon Prime, 2B Plex, and, uh, [01:05:00] you can stream it on those sites.
Did you forget to interview
Host Brian Copeland: me for that, Tom?
Tom Sawyer: What? Yeah, I forget. I didn't. It's not my movie, dude. Here's the thing about documentaries. Nobody, it's like the list of people, you know, that, uh, the director didn't go to and, you know, is like, who's who of guys that would have made this movie, like been seen by millions of people by now, you know, Rogan was like the next week that, that, you know, Uh, you know, after he stopped filming, you know, Pat and Oswald and David crossed together.
Holy like, it's ridiculous how many people that he could have interviewed. Uh, but I don't want to get into that because it really makes me mad. Well, I hear it's good. And I, I really like Mike Pritt. He's a nice guy. But you know, Mike played Cobs like twice, right? And, you know, and like, holy shit, he's in that movie too much.
But really is
Host Brian Copeland: he in a lot? I, I gotta see, I hear, I hear
Tom Sawyer: I'm in [01:06:00] it.
Host Brian Copeland: I heard I'm in it. Yeah. I don't know, I probably not very much, but I, I heard that I'm, that, that, and those, and that,
Tom Sawyer: and the toilet's never looked cleaner. . Ah,
Host Brian Copeland: thank you. Thank you. No, you bring me back to SN and so talked up SN L earlier. Yeah.
Was, and I was thinking about with SNL, how long it took for them to, to, to get a, uh, uh, to get black cast members. And now with this SNL movie coming out, I was thinking about the original cast and remember, you know, the Gar Morris was the only African American and remember the, the, the, the shit that they had him do.
Oh, yeah. I mean, it was, you know, it, it was that, that first five years, I mean, it was just demeaning. But the things that, that, uh, that, that he was, was forced to do.
Tom Sawyer: And, and actually I was just joking because there's actually, because when Cobbs is being built on Columbus Avenue, so many comics did come down and really help, uh, help build that place out.
So there was a lot of people actually, you know, uh, I think that's part of the movie where me and my ex [01:07:00] wife are in a bathroom cleaning, uh, and then like W. Kamau's bells ripping off. You know, styrofoam from the ceiling and, uh, you know, and Joe Klosik. And so there's a lot of people, a lot of people helped make that club.
Um, what it is today. So a lot of them are sick from the asbestos from ripping off the ceiling. So, well, you know, this is give and take. You know, I, I think I put some signs up around some place. Uh, my, my
Host Brian Copeland: blog, I got two quick wins. Uh, one is, uh, I'm doing the great American shit show, which is a series of monologues on life in the era of Trump.
Uh, I've got, uh, four or five performances that are left. I'm at the Mars, San Francisco tonight. Uh, I'm at, uh, Marin civic. Uh, next week, just go to briancopeland. com, uh, and there is, uh, a list of places where that show's going to be. And I want everybody, and we say it on the poster, if you like Trump, you're gonna hate this show.
So I'm just flat out telling you, you're warned. Uh, my first crime fiction book, Outraged, is, [01:08:00] uh, available in stores. Uh, you can get it at Barnes Noble, anywhere where, anywhere where fine books or apparently any books are sold. Uh, I got a second one that's coming out. It's going to be a crime. with the same character.
Second one comes out next April, right in the third one for April of 2026. So, uh, so check them out, check them out. Uh, Greg proves Greg Barrett. I appreciate you guys being here with us and Tom, our, our other executive producer appreciates you being with us as well. This
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